Can we get a ‘Marine Speaks Out’ post for every quote, interview, blurb, etc. made by servicemen who are behind the war, support the President and the mission and think we should not leave Iraq until the job is finished, lest their buddies die in vain?
I don’t think T-Nation could handle the volume, you whining, bed-wetting pussy.
Just for fun (and off topic), here’s what Michael Moore thinks of servicemen and americans in general:
"He shows his respect for our men and women in uniform by describing those killing our military people as ?Iraqi Minutemen and freedom fighters.? He has also had his movie enthusiastically endorsed by Hezbollah and ?Fahrenheit 9/11? will be shown in Syria and Lebanon. Both of these terrorist-ridden countries are sending jihadists into Iraq to kill American soldiers.
One of his gravest insults occurred not long after 9/11. Moore scoffed at the passengers on the doomed planes and called them cowards for not fighting back. He stated that had there been black people on those planes, they would have overpowered the hijackers. Moore never mentions the fact that there were Black Americans on those planes. He also overlooked the fact that the passengers on Flight 93 did fight back and sacrificed their lives to save others.
Michael Moore is also one the ?American deserved it? crowd. Just days after 9/11 he stated, ?We, the United States of America, are culpable in committing so many acts of terror and bloodshed that we better get a clue about the culture of violence in which we have been active participants.?
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
Can we get a ‘Marine Speaks Out’ post for every quote, interview, blurb, etc. made by servicemen who are behind the war, support the President and the mission and think we should not leave Iraq until the job is finished, lest their buddies die in vain?
I don’t think T-Nation could handle the volume, you whining, bed-wetting pussy.[/quote]
I think this was posted because the genreal sentement on this site is that all service members support the president, the war, and all decisions made in general by this administration.
Besides this, as a former Marine, I am glad to read something posted by a dissenter with some balls. As far as being a “bed-wetting pussy”, if you have never served you have no frame of reference. I get to listen to my two best friends who both did three rotations with II MEF recount the horror of killing and witnessing death. Do you think these two people are pussies because it is hard for them to deal with the implications of war and they actively talk about it? Oh and guess what–a big surprise–they know this war is a waste of time and that all our comrads have died in vain.
Give me a break! you are just an other arm chair, flag waving hero with an opinion.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Hack Wilson wrote:
Can we get a ‘Marine Speaks Out’ post for every quote, interview, blurb, etc. made by servicemen who are behind the war, support the President and the mission and think we should not leave Iraq until the job is finished, lest their buddies die in vain?
I don’t think T-Nation could handle the volume, you whining, bed-wetting pussy.
I think this was posted because the genreal sentement on this site is that all service members support the president, the war, and all decisions made in general by this administration.
Besides this, as a former Marine, I am glad to read something posted by a dissenter with some balls. As far as being a “bed-wetting pussy”, if you have never served you have no frame of reference. I get to listen to my two best friends who both did three rotations with II MEF recount the horror of killing and witnessing death. Do you think these two people are pussies because it is hard for them to deal with the implications of war and they actively talk about it? Oh and guess what–a big surprise–they know this war is a waste of time and that all our comrads have died in vain.
Give me a break! you are just an other arm chair, flag waving hero with an opinion. [/quote]
armchair hero with an opinion? yeah. i am that. aren’t most of us?
interesting you used the term ‘comrad’, comrade.
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
armchair hero with an opinion? yeah. i am that. aren’t most of us?
interesting you used the term ‘comrad’, comrade.
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Yes. I would wager most people who frequent this site have never served in the US military; however, I do not think most of the people who do frequent this site have such deluded opinions as you.
I can call people I served with ‘comrades’ though we may not be friends or even aquainted because that is what we are taught in boot camp–camaraderie–solidarity. Is that a problem!?
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Huh? When did you get back from Iraq?
About a year and a half ago, or did you want an exact date?
Im not bashing this Marine. Nor service members.[/quote]
So you are not bashing him then? You questioned his time in theater alluding to the fact that wasn’t enough to make a solid judement. Then said don’t belive made up stories. If that was my analysis of my time in Iraq I might take it as bashing.
Not everyone is gung ho while they are there. In fact quite a few were gung ho until they actually got there and saw what was happening first hand and maybe changed their minds about if there was solid reason to be there.
As Lifticus pointed out armchair folks like Hack will assume that everyone is either patriotic and agrees with the mission or they are bed wetting pussies.
BTW, welcome back and thank you for your service.
No im not bashing the guy. When I was 21 and in the military I did not have the insight nor understanding of the bigger picture, it took a little while to grasp ahold.(By then I was in for 3 years) With two years of experience how can a young man make such a statement? Brave he is, but don’t we ALL (or at least most of us) know everything at 21, then come to realize shit I was wrong.
We are there wether we like it or not. We best do our best and quit our whining.
Even if one may not agree with it, damn we still need to do our damn best. Causing rift between servicemembers just makes the job harder.
I just believe that this sort of statements by a serivemember causes discord in between ones own unit. Grab your weapon, shut your trap and do your job. I guess thats just the way I learned.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
When I was 21 and in the military I did not have the insight nor understanding of the bigger picture, it took a little while to grasp ahold.(By then I was in for 3 years)
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When I read the Mr. Martin’s letter, it seems to evidence significant insight and understanding about the bigger picture. Your’s on the other hand is barely coherent.
uou said “I just believe that this sort of statements by a serivemember causes discord in between ones own unit. Grab your weapon, shut your trap and do your job. I guess thats just the way I learned.”
Well that was just the allegiance Hitler’s men had. Now I’m not comparing what is happening now to our era with Bush. I’m just saying with the majority of America feeling our leader is/was wrong, well if he wanted to stay in power the military would be his last option. I have a family member and friend in Iraq right now and all of us are proud of them. They are only doing what they were told and expected to. Obviously, there are extremes to that, which I hope we never see. Our country has been divided for a while on this now and the divide could grow deeper.
Personally I don’t think we can leave until we are done or we’ll see more problems in the future since militants would take over Iraq and plot terrorism. I don’t believe there was a link between 9/11 and Iraq but that’s irrelevant now as far as the outcome goes. There are people there that aren’t terrorists who will be left to hell if we leave unfinished. A hell they didn’t think they were in under Hussein’s rule. It’s unfortunate that we have to lose more American lives to right one leaders wrong. We owe it to govern our leaders better when they start making new rules of war, like telling our allies we don’t need your approval. Some wars will have to be fought. We need to be better as choosing which ones to allow. The government is our employee, not our boss.
oh yes. One uses big words and is ocnsidered smart and coherent? I apologize for my unextensive knowledge of the oxford dictionary’s vocabulary. Is that the correct spelling? Ill just go back to my cave with the Geico caveman.
That is the beauty about opinions Mr. Stool.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
That is the beauty about opinions Mr. Stool.[/quote]
And the opinions of those that are rambling nonsense will be easily disregarded.
Shaggs you took the words outta my mind and posted them up for me. Guess I need to get better at writing or learning how to properly post as I have seen that people have alot of internet courage(think liqour courage), but your dead on.
Why we went is irrevelant as you stated. Fight the fight and like Joe Dirte says we gotta keep on keeping on.
A slight chuckle Mr. Stools. The beauty of the internet as well.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Shaggs you took the words outta my mind and posted them up for me. Guess I need to get better at writing or learning how to properly post as I have seen that people have alot of internet courage(think liqour courage), but your dead on.
Why we went is irrevelant as you stated. Fight the fight and like Joe Dirte says we gotta keep on keeping on.[/quote]
Jesus dude. It’s not a football game. It’s also funny how you explain internet courage to us. LOL. Yeah we were having a little trouble keeping up with your wit jre, lmao.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
Ill just go back to my cave with the Geico caveman.[/quote]
Does he get cheaper car insurance?
Slightly off topic, but if you’re searching for opinions that carry weight, you might want to check of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans Association (“IAVA”). While they avoid going into the “Why are we there?”, they provide some strong commentary on the issues facing the troops and links to good sources.
[quote]Loose Tool wrote:
Here’s another pissed off Marine sounding off. No matter what his reasons, Smedley Butler - one of the most decorated Marines of all time, knew what he was talking about:
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A pissed of Marine who made a hypocrite of himself and his entire career. I am more impressed with the first soldiers letter that was posted in this thread.
I agree with his reasonings for War, but Butler was more concerned about his own capitalistic gains than to speak his mind during his career. Once his pension was set he then spoke the “truth” he knew all along. He and General Clark would have been great running mates.
[quote]jre67t wrote:
No im not bashing the guy. When I was 21 and in the military I did not have the insight nor understanding of the bigger picture, it took a little while to grasp ahold.(By then I was in for 3 years) With two years of experience how can a young man make such a statement? Brave he is, but don’t we ALL (or at least most of us) know everything at 21, then come to realize shit I was wrong.
We are there wether we like it or not. We best do our best and quit our whining.
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I was in the same boat, 21 and didn’t have the insight until later. But I came to the same kind of insight as this guy. I agree that you should do your job, but who says he isn’t? He is probably doing the same duties day to day as his buddies but he feels the need to sound off about some of the bs he sees.