[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So if you think the unborn are alive at the moment of conception, what rite do you or anyone in killing them?
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
But since you bring it up – unborn babies are alive. I have no problem with this statement. [/quote]
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Dude, what? Put down the drugs man.
EDIT: I see.[/quote]
What the frig would you know drongo? You’re from some island that’s a long swim from Australia which is not even American so GTFO! This guy’s pro-life even though he supports a pro-choice candidate and neither of us know what the fuck we’re talking about okay?
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So if you think the unborn are alive at the moment of conception, what rite do you or anyone in killing them?
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
But since you bring it up – unborn babies are alive. I have no problem with this statement. [/quote]
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Dude, what? Put down the drugs man.
EDIT: I see.[/quote]
What the frig would you know drongo? You’re from some island that’s a long swim from Australia which is not even American so GTFO! This guy’s pro-life even though he supports a pro-choice candidate and neither of us know what the fuck we’re talking about okay?[/quote]
I’m proud to report that I know what a drongo is as of three days ago.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So if you think the unborn are alive at the moment of conception, what rite do you or anyone in killing them?
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
But since you bring it up – unborn babies are alive. I have no problem with this statement. [/quote]
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Dude, what? Put down the drugs man.
EDIT: I see.[/quote]
What the frig would you know drongo? You’re from some island that’s a long swim from Australia which is not even American so GTFO! This guy’s pro-life even though he supports a pro-choice candidate and neither of us know what the fuck we’re talking about okay?[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Can I ask what endows the rights of life upon someone? When does this event happen, if you would term it as such?
[quote]TigerTime wrote:
Being “alive” doesn’t mean you have the right to be alive by necessity. Ending a life really can be the lesser of two evils if the circumstances are as such. [/quote]
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All “rights” are imaginary. No one is entitled to anything by necessity.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The science says the HUMAN embryo is an individual human life already moving through it’s own life cycle. Yes, or no. That is the topic. Yes…Or…No. No more replies until you answer.
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[quote]Sloth wrote:
The science says the HUMAN embryo is an individual human life already moving through it’s own life cycle. Yes, or no. That is the topic. Yes…Or…No. No more replies until you answer.
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Mak?[/quote]
Sloth?[/quote]
A ‘yes,’ then?[/quote]
Depending on how you frame it, that argument can be used for individual sperm and eggs.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The science says the HUMAN embryo is an individual human life already moving through it’s own life cycle. Yes, or no. That is the topic. Yes…Or…No. No more replies until you answer.
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Mak?[/quote]
Sloth?[/quote]
A ‘yes,’ then?[/quote]
Depending on how you frame it, that argument can be used for individual sperm and eggs.[/quote]
Yes, or no. And no, a sperm is not an individual human life traversing the human life cycle. That’s an egregious lack of basic bio/A&P knowledge. Flat-earth equivalent.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The science says the HUMAN embryo is an individual human life already moving through it’s own life cycle. Yes, or no. That is the topic. Yes…Or…No. No more replies until you answer.
[/quote]
Mak?[/quote]
Sloth?[/quote]
A ‘yes,’ then?[/quote]
Depending on how you frame it, that argument can be used for individual sperm and eggs.[/quote]
Yes, or no. And no, a sperm is not an individual human life traversing the human life cycle. That’s an egregious lack of basic bio/A&P knowledge. Flat-earth equivalent.
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Just to annoy you, no, that’s not what the science says. The science says the embyro is a parasite attached to the host mother that becomes an individual as soon as it can exist outside the womb.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The science says the HUMAN embryo is an individual human life already moving through it’s own life cycle. Yes, or no. That is the topic. Yes…Or…No. No more replies until you answer.
[/quote]
Mak?[/quote]
Sloth?[/quote]
A ‘yes,’ then?[/quote]
Depending on how you frame it, that argument can be used for individual sperm and eggs.[/quote]
Yes, or no. And no, a sperm is not an individual human life traversing the human life cycle. That’s an egregious lack of basic bio/A&P knowledge. Flat-earth equivalent.
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Just to annoy you, no, that’s not what the science says. The science says the embyro is a parasite attached to the host mother that becomes an individual as soon as it can exist outside the womb.[/quote]
No, Mak. It’s not be cute time, “just to annoy me.” It’s ‘have an honest debate time.’ Yes, or no.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The science says the HUMAN embryo is an individual human life already moving through it’s own life cycle. Yes, or no. That is the topic. Yes…Or…No. No more replies until you answer.
[/quote]
Mak?[/quote]
Sloth?[/quote]
A ‘yes,’ then?[/quote]
Depending on how you frame it, that argument can be used for individual sperm and eggs.[/quote]
Yes, or no. And no, a sperm is not an individual human life traversing the human life cycle. That’s an egregious lack of basic bio/A&P knowledge. Flat-earth equivalent.
[/quote]
Just to annoy you, no, that’s not what the science says. The science says the embyro is a parasite attached to the host mother that becomes an individual as soon as it can exist outside the womb.[/quote]
No, Mak. It’s not be cute time, “just to annoy me.” It’s ‘have an honest debate time.’ Yes, or no. [/quote]
“(N)o, that’s not what the science says. The science says the embyro is a parasite attached to the host mother that becomes an individual as soon as it can exist outside the womb.”
[quote]Sloth wrote:
The science says the HUMAN embryo is an individual human life already moving through it’s own life cycle. Yes, or no. That is the topic. Yes…Or…No. No more replies until you answer.
[/quote]
Mak?[/quote]
Sloth?[/quote]
A ‘yes,’ then?[/quote]
Depending on how you frame it, that argument can be used for individual sperm and eggs.[/quote]
Yes, or no. And no, a sperm is not an individual human life traversing the human life cycle. That’s an egregious lack of basic bio/A&P knowledge. Flat-earth equivalent.
[/quote]
Just to annoy you, no, that’s not what the science says. The science says the embyro is a parasite attached to the host mother that becomes an individual as soon as it can exist outside the womb.[/quote]
No, Mak. It’s not be cute time, “just to annoy me.” It’s ‘have an honest debate time.’ Yes, or no. [/quote]
“(N)o, that’s not what the science says. The science says the embyro is a parasite attached to the host mother that becomes an individual as soon as it can exist outside the womb.”[/quote]
Your explanation does not back up the ‘no.’ The embryo is an organism. Thus, it is an individual (individual, population, community, hierarchy). Being an organism, it is life. Being a human embryo, it is a human life, already on an individual life-cycle.
A simple observation as proof (without DNA testing, even) that the organism (individual life) is human. In 25 years, undoubtedly, it would be a human adult. And, not an adult parrot.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
A simple observation as proof (without DNA testing, even) that the organism (individual life) is human. In 25 years, undoubtedly, it would be a human adult. And, not an adult parrot.[/quote]
Not necessarily. A large number of pregnancies never come to term, most of the time without the mother ever knowing. So in 25 years, it is not guaranteed to become a human adult.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
A simple observation as proof (without DNA testing, even) that the organism (individual life) is human. In 25 years, undoubtedly, it would be a human adult. And, not an adult parrot.[/quote]
Not necessarily. A large number of pregnancies never come to term, most of the time without the mother ever knowing. So in 25 years, it is not guaranteed to become a human adult.[/quote]
Um, and that changes what? Are you suggesting there’s an organism switcheroo going on because a pregnancy might not come to term? What is the relevance?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
A simple observation as proof (without DNA testing, even) that the organism (individual life) is human. In 25 years, undoubtedly, it would be a human adult. And, not an adult parrot.[/quote]
Not necessarily. A large number of pregnancies never come to term, most of the time without the mother ever knowing. So in 25 years, it is not guaranteed to become a human adult.[/quote]
Um, and that changes what? Are you suggesting there’s an organism switcheroo going on because a pregnancy might not come to term? What is the relevance? [/quote]
The relevance comes in because you all act like spontaneous miscarriage never happens and that every fertilized egg is guaranteed life, when this is not and never had been the case.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
A simple observation as proof (without DNA testing, even) that the organism (individual life) is human. In 25 years, undoubtedly, it would be a human adult. And, not an adult parrot.[/quote]
Not necessarily. A large number of pregnancies never come to term, most of the time without the mother ever knowing. So in 25 years, it is not guaranteed to become a human adult.[/quote]
Um, and that changes what? Are you suggesting there’s an organism switcheroo going on because a pregnancy might not come to term? What is the relevance? [/quote]
The relevance comes in because you all act like spontaneous miscarriage never happens and that every fertilized egg is guaranteed life, when this is not and never had been the case.[/quote]
Factually false. The embryo is an organism. life. Better yet, it is THE organism.
Edit: In case you’re still stuck. An embryo is an individual organism. An organism is life. A miscarriage has no bearing on these facts. The human embryo develops into a human adult. Those are two stages of the same individual organism. Of the same individual life. There is no switcheroo between two different ‘critters.’ A miscarriage doesn’t have any bearing on that fact, either. Just stop.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
A simple observation as proof (without DNA testing, even) that the organism (individual life) is human. In 25 years, undoubtedly, it would be a human adult. And, not an adult parrot.[/quote]
Not necessarily. A large number of pregnancies never come to term, most of the time without the mother ever knowing. So in 25 years, it is not guaranteed to become a human adult.[/quote]
Um, and that changes what? Are you suggesting there’s an organism switcheroo going on because a pregnancy might not come to term? What is the relevance? [/quote]
The relevance comes in because you all act like spontaneous miscarriage never happens and that every fertilized egg is guaranteed life, when this is not and never had been the case.[/quote]
Factually false. The embryo is an organism. life. Better yet, it is THE organism.
Edit: In case you’re still stuck. An embryo is an individual organism. An organism is life. A miscarriage has no bearing on these facts. The human embryo develops into a human adult. Those are two stages of the same individual organism. Of the same individual life. There is no switcheroo between two different ‘critters.’ A miscarriage doesn’t have any bearing on that fact, either. Just stop.[/quote]
The point here little one, is that there are multiple ways of looking at things. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want, but you’re not going to see people sign away a womans right to her own body away.
I may not support a woman getting an abortion personally, but I will fight for her right to dictate when and if she wants children.