Have any of you had the other estrogens checked?? E1 and E3? I have no idea if these may play a role nor have i researched it. All we ever hear about in our world is E2.
Nope, just E2, its as if I’m askling the doctor for money when I ask him to check something else, so resistant.
[quote]boomtownboy wrote:
Nope, just E2, its as if I’m askling the doctor for money when I ask him to check something else, so resistant.
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I hear ya there. So arrogant. They all seem to hate being questioned on anything as if they speak the gospel.
We all seem to be having loss of libido and no morning wood, and libido is contolled by dopamine levels.
From what Ive been reading, and what we are all reporting, deca dick doesnt come from poor natural test levels or high E2 etc, as we all report good blood work, but that infact the nerve cells that uptake dopamine become damaged. I dont know how true this is, if the brain is not producing enough dopamine, the nerves are damaged/blocked but I think its the most sound bet as Ive tried everything.
I am trying caberlogine to lower prolactin (even though my prolactin levels are good) to encourage dopamine production, i am also using L-tyrosene and L-Dopa. I have been running for a few weeks so far and as mentioned before, starting to slightly get morn wood occassionaly, however it is about a 1/4 at best (better than noodle it was before). if the nerves are damaged then that could take a long time to recover from (months/years) if at all to a full pre deca state. It took 2 years for me to be able to have good sex unassisted previously so maybe its just a time game.
The low libido caused by nerve damage would also explain why ED drugs dont work for me at the moment, as there needs to be sexual stimulation in the head in order for them to work. No sex drive, no erection.
I guess I’m gonna play this card out longer, in it for the long haul.
In your guys cases, did the libido or ED come one slowly or suddenly?
I ask because for awhile at the beginning of cycle I would get so damn horny, I’d have erections without even thinking about sex or girls. Libido was wayyyy higher than normal. Now its been 6 weeks since off deca, and low dose even at that. Almost 2 weeks with no test. My libido now feels alot weaker. Like i can get boners and maintain them from abit of stimulation, but nowhere like before. I’m wondering if it is slowly diminishing or if I’m just back to normal. I forget what normal was like lol
The high libido is prob from test, I was sexed out of this world, couldnt get enough.
But towards end of my 2nd (final cycle ) I noticed morn woods were getting less hard, so I cut out deca completely, but I believe as it is still in the system and has a long period of sticking around, the longer exposure just made it get worse until I had no morning wood and poor erections (losing them mid sex). When having sex I would lose interest (libido/dopamine problems). Accordingly the metabolites from deca can remain in the body for 18 months to 2 years so these may be still influencing your libido.
My 2nd bout of deca dick from cutting and releasing those metabolites again slowly crept up, I didnt relaise it was happening as had no gf at time, but where i did notice it was when masturbating, would take longer to get hard and needed more concentration, and my morning woods were going again slowly. when it came to being with a girl I used cialis and viagra again and noticed they were having diminishing returns as i slowly lost more weight. Hopefully this time round it will be out my system for good, but how long, 2 years? will it be permanent? I dont know would only be guessing.
[quote]boomtownboy wrote:
We all seem to be having loss of libido and no morning wood, and libido is contolled by dopamine levels.
From what Ive been reading, and what we are all reporting, deca dick doesnt come from poor natural test levels or high E2 etc, as we all report good blood work, but that infact the nerve cells that uptake dopamine become damaged. I dont know how true this is, if the brain is not producing enough dopamine, the nerves are damaged/blocked but I think its the most sound bet as Ive tried everything.
I am trying caberlogine to lower prolactin (even though my prolactin levels are good) to encourage dopamine production, i am also using L-tyrosene and L-Dopa. I have been running for a few weeks so far and as mentioned before, starting to slightly get morn wood occassionaly, however it is about a 1/4 at best (better than noodle it was before). if the nerves are damaged then that could take a long time to recover from (months/years) if at all to a full pre deca state. It took 2 years for me to be able to have good sex unassisted previously so maybe its just a time game.
The low libido caused by nerve damage would also explain why ED drugs dont work for me at the moment, as there needs to be sexual stimulation in the head in order for them to work. No sex drive, no erection.
I guess I’m gonna play this card out longer, in it for the long haul.[/quote]
I read about the same. It certainly holds some merit. Could dopamine receptors be rendered inactive by deca?
I’ve read so many different things about the DDD that it makes my head spin. Yet, i’ve yet to read much more than bro science.
It seems to affect people about like the drug finestrade(sp). This drug is a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor.
How do we increase 5-alpha reductase?
Well considering governments around the world use similar progesterone drugs for chemical castration (considered reversible after cessation) to reduce a man’s libido and sexual thoughts on sex offenders, it hold up that Deca being a progesteronic drug can likely do the same (we seem to report similar results, low libido etc).
Dont know much about finestrade.
[quote]Ned wrote:
[quote]boomtownboy wrote:
We all seem to be having loss of libido and no morning wood, and libido is contolled by dopamine levels.
From what Ive been reading, and what we are all reporting, deca dick doesnt come from poor natural test levels or high E2 etc, as we all report good blood work, but that infact the nerve cells that uptake dopamine become damaged. I dont know how true this is, if the brain is not producing enough dopamine, the nerves are damaged/blocked but I think its the most sound bet as Ive tried everything.
I am trying caberlogine to lower prolactin (even though my prolactin levels are good) to encourage dopamine production, i am also using L-tyrosene and L-Dopa. I have been running for a few weeks so far and as mentioned before, starting to slightly get morn wood occassionaly, however it is about a 1/4 at best (better than noodle it was before). if the nerves are damaged then that could take a long time to recover from (months/years) if at all to a full pre deca state. It took 2 years for me to be able to have good sex unassisted previously so maybe its just a time game.
The low libido caused by nerve damage would also explain why ED drugs dont work for me at the moment, as there needs to be sexual stimulation in the head in order for them to work. No sex drive, no erection.
I guess I’m gonna play this card out longer, in it for the long haul.[/quote]
I read about the same. It certainly holds some merit. Could dopamine receptors be rendered inactive by deca?
I’ve read so many different things about the DDD that it makes my head spin. Yet, i’ve yet to read much more than bro science.
It seems to affect people about like the drug finestrade(sp). This drug is a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor.
How do we increase 5-alpha reductase?
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This is interesting. I didn’t have lasting erectile issues but suffered a period of Restless Leg Syndrome which was dopamine related.
How do you go about finding if there are dopamine production/receptors then? Can that be done medically?
Sorry man i have no idea. I only know i was prescribed Ropinirole and started using Caber more recently on my own whenever i get RLS. Both are dopamine agonists. This shit never went away and always pops up when i consume too much alcohol or during periods of mental over-exertion.
One thing I should have noted with me case, I’ve been on clomid since May at 25mg a day.
I know this has its own host of sides that sound like they can mimic the same side effects as deca.
So maybe the clomid has got my HPTA running again(which it has, proven by blood work) and im now feeling the side effects of the clomid?
So HTF am I supposed to know what’s what… Im scared to stop or reduce the clomid in fear that my HPTA hasn’t yet recovered from the deca or that the metabolites will shut me down again. I know the recovery from deca can be a very very long road and for some seems to not have an end.
Just something that may be pertinent to someone.
Mate if your bloods is showing fine I’d probably come off it. Your test levels will prb come down a bit but see how it goes, you can always go back on if need. I completely think atleast my problem is Dopa related now and am trying that approach.
It will take time no matter what the issue is, just need to stick in and hope for the best.
NP dt79, atleast shows that Deca does mess around with your reward system through dopamine.
The weird thing about when I had this is that I could get it up if I wanted to, I just didn’t want to. Total indifference to sex.
Then one day I remember I was walking to uni and some hot shick walked past. I checked out her arse, then realised it was the first time I’d actually checked out a girl for like 6 months! That’s when I knew I was on the mend.
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[quote]dt79 wrote:
Sorry man i have no idea. I only know i was prescribed Ropinirole and started using Caber more recently on my own whenever i get RLS. Both are dopamine agonists. This shit never went away and always pops up when i consume too much alcohol or during periods of mental over-exertion.
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Interesting, I’ve had restless legs for over 10 years(well before deca)…I occasionally use ropinirole as well. Restless legs kick in like mother fucker when I drink…at all.
[quote]Ned wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Sorry man i have no idea. I only know i was prescribed Ropinirole and started using Caber more recently on my own whenever i get RLS. Both are dopamine agonists. This shit never went away and always pops up when i consume too much alcohol or during periods of mental over-exertion.
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Interesting, I’ve had restless legs for over 10 years(well before deca)…I occasionally use ropinirole as well. Restless legs kick in like mother fucker when I drink…at all.[/quote]
This worth looking into. Perhaps you had a prior imbalance that got worse after taking deca and affected other things.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]Ned wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Sorry man i have no idea. I only know i was prescribed Ropinirole and started using Caber more recently on my own whenever i get RLS. Both are dopamine agonists. This shit never went away and always pops up when i consume too much alcohol or during periods of mental over-exertion.
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Interesting, I’ve had restless legs for over 10 years(well before deca)…I occasionally use ropinirole as well. Restless legs kick in like mother fucker when I drink…at all.[/quote]
This worth looking into. Perhaps you had a prior imbalance that got worse after taking deca and affected other things.
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I’d love to look into it… By what means would you suggest looking into this? can dopamine be tested?
[quote]Ned wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
[quote]Ned wrote:
[quote]dt79 wrote:
Sorry man i have no idea. I only know i was prescribed Ropinirole and started using Caber more recently on my own whenever i get RLS. Both are dopamine agonists. This shit never went away and always pops up when i consume too much alcohol or during periods of mental over-exertion.
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Interesting, I’ve had restless legs for over 10 years(well before deca)…I occasionally use ropinirole as well. Restless legs kick in like mother fucker when I drink…at all.[/quote]
This worth looking into. Perhaps you had a prior imbalance that got worse after taking deca and affected other things.
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I’d love to look into it… By what means would you suggest looking into this? can dopamine be tested?
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I was thinking maybe a consult with your endo. I’m not an expert in this, just sharing personal experience. Thought since you had RLS prior to this, there may be a link as my RLS only started after using.
Well been blasting caber and l-dopa, l-tyrosene over the last few weeks to see if extra doapmine would help my problem, not noticed any change at all. Could still be receptors damaged or not working.
[quote]boomtownboy wrote:
Well been blasting caber and l-dopa, l-tyrosene over the last few weeks to see if extra doapmine would help my problem, not noticed any change at all. Could still be receptors damaged or not working.[/quote]
I was afraid this would be your outcome… Keep us posted on any changes as im interested.