[quote]h0nkey46 wrote:
Regardless of how ignorant us Americans may or may not be, lives were lost – for no reason.[/quote]
That’s exactly what I was talking about.
How can you say no reason?
It may be deluded, fanatical, religous reasoning, but it was there.
And you nurtered the viper in your bosom!
FYI, Reagan was comparing the Taliban to the founding fathers, super-patriotic propaganda Rambo III has the film dedicated to them etc
So, yes, tragic in a very classical sense.
My mistake, there was reason (I have no idea what that reason is), but how does that reason justify killing people that have nothing to do w/ this “reason”. Give me a fucking break.
No matter what you’re opinion may be, you cannot justify taking an innocent life. PERIOD.
I remember the day. I was working out of a Air Force base in Japan. Came home late night and turned on the TV to see New York being blown up. It was confusing and was wondering what the heck happened. The next day the whole base was on lock down. Those days sucked with lots of car inspection and retarded air force guys who don’t know how to use their weapons or wear web gear properly.
[quote]h0nkey46 wrote:
My mistake, there was reason (I have no idea what that reason is), but how does that reason justify killing people that have nothing to do w/ this “reason”. Give me a fucking break.
No matter what you’re opinion may be, you cannot justify taking an innocent life. PERIOD.[/quote]
Murder is never justified.
Never.
This doesn’t mean people won’t dream up reasons for vengeance.
Just ask George W. Bush.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]h0nkey46 wrote:
My mistake, there was reason (I have no idea what that reason is), but how does that reason justify killing people that have nothing to do w/ this “reason”. Give me a fucking break.
No matter what you’re opinion may be, you cannot justify taking an innocent life. PERIOD.[/quote]
Murder is never justified.
Never.
This doesn’t mean people won’t dream up reasons for vengeance.
Just ask George W. Bush.[/quote]
retaliation =/= murder
[quote]h0nkey46 wrote:
My mistake, there was reason (I have no idea what that reason is), but how does that reason justify killing people that have nothing to do w/ this “reason”. Give me a fucking break.
No matter what you’re opinion may be, you cannot justify taking an innocent life. PERIOD.[/quote]
Really?
Hang around a bit in PWI and you will see how easy that is.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]h0nkey46 wrote:
My mistake, there was reason (I have no idea what that reason is), but how does that reason justify killing people that have nothing to do w/ this “reason”. Give me a fucking break.
No matter what you’re opinion may be, you cannot justify taking an innocent life. PERIOD.[/quote]
Murder is never justified.
Never.
This doesn’t mean people won’t dream up reasons for vengeance.
Just ask George W. Bush.[/quote]
retaliation =/= murder
[/quote]
Is that so?
You keep talking also about collective punishment and killing innocent people to force governments to change their policies; you call this terrorism when someone would kill innocent people or civilians in order to force the government to change its policies. Well, when you were the first one who invented this terrorism.
You were the first one who killed innocent people, and you are the first one who introduced this type of terrorism to the history of mankind when you dropped an atomic bomb which killed tens of thousands of women and children in Japan and when you killed over a hundred thousand people, most of them civilians, in Tokyo with fire bombings. You killed them by burning them to death. And you killed civilians in Vietnam with chemicals as with the so-called Orange agent. You killed civilians and innocent people, not soldiers, innocent people every single war you went. You went to wars more than any other country in this century, and then you have the nerve to talk about killing innocent people.
And now you have invented new ways to kill innocent people. You have so-called economic embargo which kills nobody other than children and elderly people, and which other than Iraq you have been placing the economic embargo on Cuba and other countries for over 35 years.
The Government in its summations and opening statement said that I was a terrorist. Yes, I am a terrorist and I am proud of it. And I support terrorism so long as it was against the United States Government and against Israel, because you are more than terrorists; you are the one who invented terrorism and using it every day. You are butchers, liars and hypocrites.
Ramzi Youef, 1998
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]h0nkey46 wrote:
My mistake, there was reason (I have no idea what that reason is), but how does that reason justify killing people that have nothing to do w/ this “reason”. Give me a fucking break.
No matter what you’re opinion may be, you cannot justify taking an innocent life. PERIOD.[/quote]
Murder is never justified.
Never.
This doesn’t mean people won’t dream up reasons for vengeance.
Just ask George W. Bush.[/quote]
retaliation =/= murder
[/quote]
Is that so?
You keep talking also about collective punishment and killing innocent people to force governments to change their policies; you call this terrorism when someone would kill innocent people or civilians in order to force the government to change its policies. Well, when you were the first one who invented this terrorism.
You were the first one who killed innocent people, and you are the first one who introduced this type of terrorism to the history of mankind when you dropped an atomic bomb which killed tens of thousands of women and children in Japan and when you killed over a hundred thousand people, most of them civilians, in Tokyo with fire bombings. You killed them by burning them to death. And you killed civilians in Vietnam with chemicals as with the so-called Orange agent. You killed civilians and innocent people, not soldiers, innocent people every single war you went. You went to wars more than any other country in this century, and then you have the nerve to talk about killing innocent people.
And now you have invented new ways to kill innocent people. You have so-called economic embargo which kills nobody other than children and elderly people, and which other than Iraq you have been placing the economic embargo on Cuba and other countries for over 35 years.
The Government in its summations and opening statement said that I was a terrorist. Yes, I am a terrorist and I am proud of it. And I support terrorism so long as it was against the United States Government and against Israel, because you are more than terrorists; you are the one who invented terrorism and using it every day. You are butchers, liars and hypocrites.
Ramzi Youef, 1998[/quote]
Quoting from this maggot, wow just wow.
Next we will be hearing how the Jews deserved the holocaust.
Orion are you serious? You act as if the way our gov acted in the past reflects our opinions as individuals today. You are from Austria, do you hate jews? From the way you talk you just may. We are not even talking about who started it or who still engages in this behavior. We are discussing how it is morally wrong.
But if what you say is true (that we started it(which is bullshit), and still continue to hurt innocent ppl (probably true), that still doesn’t change the fact that it is wrong ya bonehead
wow, honkey, you are waaay over your head in here.
Would this be GAL, I’d write some heartfelt, compassionate lines and whatnot and perhaps even feel bad to venture directly to SAMA
In this forum, we shall go to the meat and bones of political matter.
If you want to post about how innocent people are, better don’t read the gazillion of religious threads, where one of the basic commandments is about how everyone in this world starts with a mountain of guilt.
Yep, reading about opinions, arguments or personal ideologies can feel outrageous.
Fact is, and tragedy aside, the US mostly created this monster we call terrorism and recreates/inflates it as we type.
Feel free about arguing how the Taliban were instrumental in overthrowing the evil soviet empire and so on (It’s part of what is called debating).
Go to ‘Get A Life’ if you want to tell the world how much you love cats, how painful PMS feels to your pussy and how a tragedy handicaps you mentally from reasoning with adults.
“Go to ‘Get A Life’ if you want to tell the world how much you love cats, how painful PMS feels to your pussy and how a tragedy handicaps you mentally from reasoning with adults”
----Really - You act intelligent and retaliate w/ an insult. Well Done
The US gov is terrible, i dont argue that. People as individuals are smart, in groups absolutely retarded. I guess i just can’t justify taking an innocent life for something “you” believe in (not you specifically).
I don’t give a shit who started it or what the Taliban is up to. I have no control over that. I’m just baffled that people can’t empathize with the 9/11 victims. Innocent people died and their families suffered (still do). Obviously this happends world wide and that is a damn tragedy.
Thats all i have to say. Dont want to argue w/ you. You clearly the two of you have a strong opinion about the US and have turned to insults rather than discussing.
[quote]aussie486 wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]h0nkey46 wrote:
My mistake, there was reason (I have no idea what that reason is), but how does that reason justify killing people that have nothing to do w/ this “reason”. Give me a fucking break.
No matter what you’re opinion may be, you cannot justify taking an innocent life. PERIOD.[/quote]
Murder is never justified.
Never.
This doesn’t mean people won’t dream up reasons for vengeance.
Just ask George W. Bush.[/quote]
retaliation =/= murder
[/quote]
Is that so?
You keep talking also about collective punishment and killing innocent people to force governments to change their policies; you call this terrorism when someone would kill innocent people or civilians in order to force the government to change its policies. Well, when you were the first one who invented this terrorism.
You were the first one who killed innocent people, and you are the first one who introduced this type of terrorism to the history of mankind when you dropped an atomic bomb which killed tens of thousands of women and children in Japan and when you killed over a hundred thousand people, most of them civilians, in Tokyo with fire bombings. You killed them by burning them to death. And you killed civilians in Vietnam with chemicals as with the so-called Orange agent. You killed civilians and innocent people, not soldiers, innocent people every single war you went. You went to wars more than any other country in this century, and then you have the nerve to talk about killing innocent people.
And now you have invented new ways to kill innocent people. You have so-called economic embargo which kills nobody other than children and elderly people, and which other than Iraq you have been placing the economic embargo on Cuba and other countries for over 35 years.
The Government in its summations and opening statement said that I was a terrorist. Yes, I am a terrorist and I am proud of it. And I support terrorism so long as it was against the United States Government and against Israel, because you are more than terrorists; you are the one who invented terrorism and using it every day. You are butchers, liars and hypocrites.
Ramzi Youef, 1998[/quote]
Quoting from this maggot, wow just wow.
Next we will be hearing how the Jews deserved the holocaust.
[/quote]
[quote]h0nkey46 wrote:
“Go to ‘Get A Life’ if you want to tell the world how much you love cats, how painful PMS feels to your pussy and how a tragedy handicaps you mentally from reasoning with adults”
----Really - You act intelligent and retaliate w/ an insult. Well Done
The US gov is terrible, i dont argue that. People as individuals are smart, in groups absolutely retarded. I guess i just can’t justify taking an innocent life for something “you” believe in (not you specifically).
I don’t give a shit who started it or what the Taliban is up to. I have no control over that. I’m just baffled that people can’t empathize with the 9/11 victims. Innocent people died and their families suffered (still do). Obviously this happends world wide and that is a damn tragedy.
Thats all i have to say. Dont want to argue w/ you. You clearly the two of you have a strong opinion about the US and have turned to insults rather than discussing.[/quote]
I) what exactly is my “strong” opinion about the US? I’d like to know, because I have no idea what you are talking about.
II) where did I insult you? Just like you wrote [quote]“you”… (not you specifically)[/quote] ,I didn’t mean your vagina specifically 
III) Note that in my opinion, the policy that produces terrorists is way older then your recent government, and I did not say anything about these guys.
Personally, I try to understand the problem to derive to conclusions that allow me to rationally approach the whole complex in the future- be it as a practical voter or as a thinking person with limited direct influence and resources.
You, on the other hand, seem happy to drown in emotion.
[quote]
“guess i just can’t justify taking an innocent life”
“… I have no control over that”[/quote]
You have control over it, albeit very little.
Not even your incompetent (there, now I came out of the closet) president has full control.
Nobody has.
But you have a conscience and a potentially rational intellect, so please use both.
[quote]h0nkey46 wrote:
Thats all i have to say. Dont want to argue w/ you. You clearly the two of you have a strong opinion about the US and have turned to insults rather than discussing.[/quote]
But, but, I dont understand…
If we wanted to be insulting we could do so much better!
[i]-“Aussie strikes with a classic 'Holocaust Low Blow!
Yikes!
This one always makes the plebs go wild!”
-“Haha right, and Orion counters with a nicely timed ‘Albright Sucker Punch’!
I already hear tooth-gnashing from the morally superiour seats!”
-“Before this fight is over, I think we might even see a bunch of Fritzl stomps and penis measuring strikes through Wold War 2-talk!”[/i]
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
You were the first one who killed innocent people, and you are the first one who introduced this type of terrorism to the history of mankind when you dropped an atomic bomb which killed tens of thousands of women and children in Japan and when you killed over a hundred thousand people, most of them civilians, in Tokyo with fire bombings. [/quote]
Ha ha ha!
The history professor speaketh!
(And shit comes out of his mouth.)
[/quote]
It was a quote you retard- I even cited from whom and when.
Way to turn my thread into a shit storm guys 
I’m off to GAL! In way over my head!
Told you so!