8 Week Labs, High TT and FT

From a lab perspective, you seem to be in a good place. How do you feel?

Perfectly fine, no side effects whatsoever. Energy, mood, libido, mental clarity are all good. I didn’t experience the “crash” everyone was referring to by switching from 200 to 100. I’m surprised that my labs came back that high with such a low dose. What could be the reason for this?

TT is 1103.8 and not 1003.8.

EEverybody absorbs the ester different way, depends on injection frequency, IM, sub-q, too many variables. The point is if you have found what works for you dont overthink it and dont mess it up

I actually do not consider 100 mg/week in a 3-dose split to be a “low dose”.

You need to be careful in comparing once per week dosing to more frequent dosing. With once per week dosing, you need to go to a higher weekly dose in order to keep you nadir (low point) high enough that you don’t have a return of symptoms at the end of the weekly injection cycle.

With more frequent dosing (e.g., your MWF schedule), you can get by with a lower weekly dose because there’s less time to the nadir before you next dose kicks in. This ultimately gives you a smoother hormonal ride with fewer side-effects because you have a lower more constant T levels. You avoid the extreme highs and lows.

That was a huge drop. Glad it worked. TRT doesn’t kill. You syoukd try doing EOD or twice a week to keep it stable. These are trough readings. By the next injection you might be much lower. Making changes based on this is not good.

Plenty of guys sit in 30-40 free t and there is zero history showing T causes any issues. Also this is after injection. Get tested before injection. Don’t Keep lowering it. you might end up hating life. I would dose more often to keep levels more consistent. You’ll feel better that way.

Only time you need to worry is if you have underlying issues like polycythemia Vera or other clothing or heart issues. Or family history.

100mg is low for most men. A small fraction of men need very little or more than the normal guy.

Everyone needs a different dose and there are many reasons why. From toxins to conversion and just genetics.

100 would keep me in the gutter. It’s super low for me.

Yep. A lot of men require 150-200mg per week. Exogenous T cannot be compared mg to mg to endogenous T.

My doctor reviewed these results and said my TT and FT were still “very high”…he referred me to an endocrinologist. I have had no luck with my PCP, hopefully my endocrinologist will listen to me when i tell him that i feel good and wont make any other changes based on my labs being out of range/ high. I feel good, and i would hate for them to cut it down even further just to be in range. I guess we will see what my endo thinks. I had a feeling this PCP wasn’t right for this after he wanted me to do a single 200mg shot every 2 weeks…I will post another update in September after i see my endo.

Thank you for all the feedback.

Worst case, go to a TRT clinic that will listen instead of dealing with regular docs.

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Dont attempt to deal with these docs regarding TRT. Just go to a TRT clinic and pay, at least they will give you freedom to do what works for you.

I highly doubt he will. I would just go to a real hormone doctor and stop wasting my time. Clinics suck but they are better than the rest.

Looks like i will have to go to a TRT clinic, because even the specialist did not care that i was feeling good. He wants to completely take me off and try to get my natural levels back. He thinks that i never had low T, even though i had all the symptoms. He thinks that my levels were within range and that FT is not a good indicator of low testosterone…I told him that i disagree, and that i do not want to stop the medication or follow up with his office. Now i just have to wait and see what my PC does, if they will refill my prescription or stop treating based on the Endocrinologists note…

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That’s a story that’s entirely too common here. I really don’t understand the logic there. Do they think T is really that bad? Like, everyone will get prostate cancer and have a heart attack if you’re on it long term? I don’t get it.

I just hope the telemed clinics etc stay an option because I’m sure most docs around here would have the same response and I’d be SOL

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No surprise here :smiley:

Yea, that’s the frustrating part. I emailed my PCP and told him what a ridiculous assessment the endo made, and how I felt not heard. I was honest with him and told him if your intentions are to take me off, I will just have to go to a men’s clinic. It blows my mind that I’m literally telling him I feel good, my life has improvement, I have no symptoms, and he wants to take me completely off…what the actual fuck…

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Piece of shit human beings

It’s f’ing mind boggling. If there was a fancy new pharmaceutical that was giving you all those benefits they’d be handing it out to anyone that would take it. Call it testosterone and UH OH can’t have that evil stuff. It can’t be helping anyways or anything.

9/29 update. Went and got a second opinion.

First endo “Testosterone is like an expresso shot, everyone will feel better on it”

Second endo “Testosterone is like crystal meth, everyone will feel better on it”

…I guess I’m going back to the mens clinic…and that’s my experience so far guys.

Sooo… what’s the issue with feeling better? No comprendé

I don’t understand either. It’s been a struggle.

The men’s clinic wants $1900/$166 monthly for 12 month treatment plan (includes 4 labs). I might just do that, I don’t know how that compares to other clinics.