[quote]Sloth wrote:
By the way, if winning on solid conservative principles isn’t nearly as important as simply winning, why not scrap the two party system? That way one’s team always wins, while one attempts to persuade everyone else in one’s team.[/quote]
I just want to defeat Obama—Is that so wrong?
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Give me your reasons why Santorum is incapable of doing so.[/quote]
I think the American public wants competence and experience (and the projection of competence and experience) moreso than ideology. I think they are looking for something like the next Dwight Eisenhower, and I don’t think Santorum fits that mold (and I do like quite a bit about Santorum, I am speaking about electability).
4- The media will absolutely destroy him. They despise this guy because he is the real deal. This is not 1980 when the media was just mildly biased toward the dems. This is 2012 and they will say and do anything to destroy the republican nominee…
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OMG, Zeb, how old are you? Do you not remember how the media absolutely savaged RR?
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Old enough to remember that every time they tried he would appeal directly to the people. And the people loved him so much that made the media back off because they didn’t want a backlash. Now, please don’t tell me that you think Rick Santorum is another Ronald Reagan. No you woldn’t say that would you?
One more point to remember when discussin the media. They were somewhat fair in 1980. Sure the always leaned left, but nothing like they do now. They’re not even pretending to be fair.
One other interesting issue being discussed a little bit: Romney doesn’t attack Paul, and Paul doesn’t attack Romney. It’s more understandable why Romney doesn’t go after Paul (as a frontrunner, he doesn’t want to alienate potential voters), but Romney of all people - the ultimate moderate “squish” if you listen to his detractors - is completely left along by the most rigid ideologue of them all, Ron Paul.
What explains this? Surely Paul’s most natural enemy in the GOP primaries should be the quaffed, East Coast RINO who is responsible for Romneycare, but Paul has left him alone and word is they are quite friendly towards one another.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
One other interesting issue being discussed a little bit: Romney doesn’t attack Paul, and Paul doesn’t attack Romney. It’s more understandable why Romney doesn’t go after Paul (as a frontrunner, he doesn’t want to alienate potential voters), but Romney of all people - the ultimate moderate “squish” if you listen to his detractors - is completely left along by the most rigid ideologue of them all, Ron Paul.
What explains this? Surely Paul’s most natural enemy in the GOP primaries should be the quaffed, East Coast RINO who is responsible for Romneycare, but Paul has left him alone and word is they are quite friendly towards one another.
Explanation?[/quote]
I picked up on this a while ago but don’t know what to make of it. Could it be that Paul wants a cabinet post? I don’t see any other possible explanation.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
One other interesting issue being discussed a little bit: Romney doesn’t attack Paul, and Paul doesn’t attack Romney. It’s more understandable why Romney doesn’t go after Paul (as a frontrunner, he doesn’t want to alienate potential voters), but Romney of all people - the ultimate moderate “squish” if you listen to his detractors - is completely left along by the most rigid ideologue of them all, Ron Paul.
What explains this? Surely Paul’s most natural enemy in the GOP primaries should be the quaffed, East Coast RINO who is responsible for Romneycare, but Paul has left him alone and word is they are quite friendly towards one another.
Explanation?[/quote]
Actually, this is simple. Paul want’s to be the anti-Romney protest vote. Gingrich and Santorum drop part way through (in theory)…lot’s of pissed off supporters. Pissed off with the party and Romney. Ron Paul (who has money and organization to go all the way to convention), becomes the “stick it to the Party and Romney” vote. Perhaps Romney can’t get the required delegates in the first one or two votes (can’t remember). Delegates then go unbound. Ron Paul’s people have been working hard to get nominated as delegates…Holy smokes, Ron Paul wins!
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
One other interesting issue being discussed a little bit: Romney doesn’t attack Paul, and Paul doesn’t attack Romney. It’s more understandable why Romney doesn’t go after Paul (as a frontrunner, he doesn’t want to alienate potential voters), but Romney of all people - the ultimate moderate “squish” if you listen to his detractors - is completely left along by the most rigid ideologue of them all, Ron Paul.
What explains this? Surely Paul’s most natural enemy in the GOP primaries should be the quaffed, East Coast RINO who is responsible for Romneycare, but Paul has left him alone and word is they are quite friendly towards one another.
Explanation?[/quote]
Actually, this is simple. Paul want’s to be the anti-Romney protest vote. Gingrich and Santorum drop part way through (in theory)…lot’s of pissed off supporters. Pissed off with the party and Romney. Ron Paul (who has money and organization to go all the way to convention), becomes the “stick it to the Party and Romney” vote. Perhaps Romney can’t get the required delegates in the first one or two votes (can’t remember). Delegates then go unbound. Ron Paul’s people have been working hard to get nominated as delegates…Holy smokes, Ron Paul wins!
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That would surely make for an unconventional convention!
It, the convention, would be FUN to watch! For the first time in my lifetime![/quote]
I remember reading in Iowa that Paul supporters were making dang sure to stick around and get picked as delegates. It could be interesting.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
One other interesting issue being discussed a little bit: Romney doesn’t attack Paul, and Paul doesn’t attack Romney. It’s more understandable why Romney doesn’t go after Paul (as a frontrunner, he doesn’t want to alienate potential voters), but Romney of all people - the ultimate moderate “squish” if you listen to his detractors - is completely left along by the most rigid ideologue of them all, Ron Paul.
What explains this? Surely Paul’s most natural enemy in the GOP primaries should be the quaffed, East Coast RINO who is responsible for Romneycare, but Paul has left him alone and word is they are quite friendly towards one another.
Explanation?[/quote]
I picked up on this a while ago but don’t know what to make of it. Could it be that Paul wants a cabinet post? I don’t see any other possible explanation.[/quote]
Romney nominating Paul for Sec’y of the Treasury would be sumthin else.[/quote]
Honestly, I’d love to see that. And it would be a very good political move as it bring over many of the Paulbots. How about Santorum as Secretary of Sate?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
One other interesting issue being discussed a little bit: Romney doesn’t attack Paul, and Paul doesn’t attack Romney. It’s more understandable why Romney doesn’t go after Paul (as a frontrunner, he doesn’t want to alienate potential voters), but Romney of all people - the ultimate moderate “squish” if you listen to his detractors - is completely left along by the most rigid ideologue of them all, Ron Paul.
What explains this? Surely Paul’s most natural enemy in the GOP primaries should be the quaffed, East Coast RINO who is responsible for Romneycare, but Paul has left him alone and word is they are quite friendly towards one another.
Explanation?[/quote]
Actually, this is simple. Paul want’s to be the anti-Romney protest vote. Gingrich and Santorum drop part way through (in theory)…lot’s of pissed off supporters. Pissed off with the party and Romney. Ron Paul (who has money and organization to go all the way to convention), becomes the “stick it to the Party and Romney” vote. Perhaps Romney can’t get the required delegates in the first one or two votes (can’t remember). Delegates then go unbound. Ron Paul’s people have been working hard to get nominated as delegates…Holy smokes, Ron Paul wins!
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That would surely make for an unconventional convention!
It, the convention, would be FUN to watch! For the first time in my lifetime![/quote]
I remember reading in Iowa that Paul supporters were making dang sure to stick around and get picked as delegates. It could be interesting.[/quote]
Speaking of Paul the latest Polls shows him dead last in Nevada. And if I am correct he finished second there four years ago.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
One other interesting issue being discussed a little bit: Romney doesn’t attack Paul, and Paul doesn’t attack Romney. It’s more understandable why Romney doesn’t go after Paul (as a frontrunner, he doesn’t want to alienate potential voters), but Romney of all people - the ultimate moderate “squish” if you listen to his detractors - is completely left along by the most rigid ideologue of them all, Ron Paul.
What explains this? Surely Paul’s most natural enemy in the GOP primaries should be the quaffed, East Coast RINO who is responsible for Romneycare, but Paul has left him alone and word is they are quite friendly towards one another.
Explanation?[/quote]
I picked up on this a while ago but don’t know what to make of it. Could it be that Paul wants a cabinet post? I don’t see any other possible explanation.[/quote]
I think the reason for this is two-fold. First off, it’s a bit fallacious to say that Paul doesn’t go after Romney; he has but it isn’t often or with much vitriol.
Secondly, the way in which Paul defends Romney is more an indictment of the way his detractors use blatantly hypocritical tactics and consciously take things out of context to attack him. Paul’s defense of Romney isn’t really a defense as much as it is a condemnation of the way the political system works these days and, of course, his opponents. This is a large part of how Paul’s ideology works and his rigid commitment to it would manifest itself the same way if it were Gingrich or Santorum who were being attacked the way Romney. And they ARE being attacked that way as well, by Romney, and if memory serves me Paul has scolded people for these transgressions as well. I suppose any perceived tendency to defend one more than another in this respect probably has to do with the dynamics of the election season.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
One other interesting issue being discussed a little bit: Romney doesn’t attack Paul, and Paul doesn’t attack Romney. It’s more understandable why Romney doesn’t go after Paul (as a frontrunner, he doesn’t want to alienate potential voters), but Romney of all people - the ultimate moderate “squish” if you listen to his detractors - is completely left along by the most rigid ideologue of them all, Ron Paul.
What explains this? Surely Paul’s most natural enemy in the GOP primaries should be the quaffed, East Coast RINO who is responsible for Romneycare, but Paul has left him alone and word is they are quite friendly towards one another.
Explanation?[/quote]
Actually, this is simple. Paul want’s to be the anti-Romney protest vote. Gingrich and Santorum drop part way through (in theory)…lot’s of pissed off supporters. Pissed off with the party and Romney. Ron Paul (who has money and organization to go all the way to convention), becomes the “stick it to the Party and Romney” vote. Perhaps Romney can’t get the required delegates in the first one or two votes (can’t remember). Delegates then go unbound. Ron Paul’s people have been working hard to get nominated as delegates…Holy smokes, Ron Paul wins!
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That would surely make for an unconventional convention!
It, the convention, would be FUN to watch! For the first time in my lifetime![/quote]
C’mon Push! You didn’t enjoy the '68 Democratic National Convention? I wasn’t alive then, but I love seeing all the old footage of the fucking hippies getting clobbered in the streets. There’s something about the way the tear gas lingers in the air that gives the footage a really nice little atmosphere to it. That really does it for me, the tear gas. And the billy clubs. And the horses up on their hind legs with little snot-nosed East Coast liberal brats crying underneath them.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
One other interesting issue being discussed a little bit: Romney doesn’t attack Paul, and Paul doesn’t attack Romney. It’s more understandable why Romney doesn’t go after Paul (as a frontrunner, he doesn’t want to alienate potential voters), but Romney of all people - the ultimate moderate “squish” if you listen to his detractors - is completely left along by the most rigid ideologue of them all, Ron Paul.
What explains this? Surely Paul’s most natural enemy in the GOP primaries should be the quaffed, East Coast RINO who is responsible for Romneycare, but Paul has left him alone and word is they are quite friendly towards one another.
Explanation?[/quote]
I picked up on this a while ago but don’t know what to make of it. Could it be that Paul wants a cabinet post? I don’t see any other possible explanation.[/quote]
I think the reason for this is two-fold. First off, it’s a bit fallacious to say that Paul doesn’t go after Romney; he has but it isn’t often or with much vitriol.
Secondly, the way in which Paul defends Romney is more an indictment of the way his detractors use blatantly hypocritical tactics and consciously take things out of context to attack him. Paul’s defense of Romney isn’t really a defense as much as it is a condemnation of the way the political system works these days and, of course, his opponents. This is a large part of how Paul’s ideology works and his rigid commitment to it would manifest itself the same way if it were Gingrich or Santorum who were being attacked the way Romney. And they ARE being attacked that way as well, by Romney, and if memory serves me Paul has scolded people for these transgressions as well. I suppose any perceived tendency to defend one more than another in this respect probably has to do with the dynamics of the election season.[/quote]
Well, no. Paul has been doing the negative attack ad thing against Santorum and Gingrich. Really, don’t over think it, folks. His hope was/is in being the anti-Romney.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
One other interesting issue being discussed a little bit: Romney doesn’t attack Paul, and Paul doesn’t attack Romney. It’s more understandable why Romney doesn’t go after Paul (as a frontrunner, he doesn’t want to alienate potential voters), but Romney of all people - the ultimate moderate “squish” if you listen to his detractors - is completely left along by the most rigid ideologue of them all, Ron Paul.
What explains this? Surely Paul’s most natural enemy in the GOP primaries should be the quaffed, East Coast RINO who is responsible for Romneycare, but Paul has left him alone and word is they are quite friendly towards one another.
Explanation?[/quote]
I picked up on this a while ago but don’t know what to make of it. Could it be that Paul wants a cabinet post? I don’t see any other possible explanation.[/quote]
I think the reason for this is two-fold. First off, it’s a bit fallacious to say that Paul doesn’t go after Romney; he has but it isn’t often or with much vitriol.
Secondly, the way in which Paul defends Romney is more an indictment of the way his detractors use blatantly hypocritical tactics and consciously take things out of context to attack him. Paul’s defense of Romney isn’t really a defense as much as it is a condemnation of the way the political system works these days and, of course, his opponents. This is a large part of how Paul’s ideology works and his rigid commitment to it would manifest itself the same way if it were Gingrich or Santorum who were being attacked the way Romney. And they ARE being attacked that way as well, by Romney, and if memory serves me Paul has scolded people for these transgressions as well. I suppose any perceived tendency to defend one more than another in this respect probably has to do with the dynamics of the election season.[/quote]
Well, no. Paul has been doing the negative attack ad thing against Santorum and Gingrich. Really, don’t over think it, folks. His hope was/is in being the anti-Romney.
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Yeah, that makes sense. But if it were your last hurrah wouldn’t want something to show for it like a cabinet post? I don’t I really can’t think like these guys I think you have to be pretty far from normal to seek that office to begin with.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
By the way, if winning on solid conservative principles isn’t nearly as important as simply winning, why not scrap the two party system? That way one’s team always wins, while one attempts to persuade everyone else in one’s team.[/quote]
I just want to defeat Obama—Is that so wrong?
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Give me your reasons why Santorum is incapable of doing so.[/quote]
He has principles, no money and the liberal machine would tear him a new a-hole.[/quote]
You are right about the first two but on the third one I’m wondering where the lib machine would get their ammo.[/quote]
I think a lot of people would be turned off (and thus he will be attacked for) his “extreme” religiosity. Some attacks I’ve already heard include something about condoms, his views on homosexuality, and something about a miscarriage (yes, they will go there).
[quote]Sloth wrote:
By the way, if winning on solid conservative principles isn’t nearly as important as simply winning, why not scrap the two party system? That way one’s team always wins, while one attempts to persuade everyone else in one’s team.[/quote]
I just want to defeat Obama—Is that so wrong?
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Give me your reasons why Santorum is incapable of doing so.[/quote]
He has principles, no money and the liberal machine would tear him a new a-hole.[/quote]
You are right about the first two but on the third one I’m wondering where the lib machine would get their ammo.[/quote]
I think a lot of people would be turned off (and thus he will be attacked for) his “extreme” religiosity. Some attacks I’ve already heard include something about condoms, his views on homosexuality, and something about a miscarriage (yes, they will go there). [/quote]
You get into a strange mental phenomenon when you like a certain candidate you tend to think that he is untouchable. You like him, your brother likes him, your friends at work like him therefore you think EVERYONE likes him and they are virtually untouchable.
The MSLM will attack Santorum and while I think he’s a great guy by the time their done he will look like a right wing religious nut case. And I’m aware of the miscarriage story and they’ll do two weeks on that alone.
Hey, for my money I think he’d be a great President but then again I agree with everything he says. But I’ve been around long enough to know that most don’t feel the way I do.
I’ve got to go back to something I said earlier about Santorum. (And before anyone makes it a “Conservative/Liberal” thing; IT’S NOT! I felt the same way about Weiner, Spitzer and some other Liberals; so don’t go there…)
Santorum (IMO) gives off an odd “vibe” that I can’t put my finger on. He states his positions with conviction…but with “anger” and some sense of “conflict”. (And that ever present smirk doesn’t help).
Hey…he probably lives a more “virtuous” life than I do (that wouldn’t take much!)…but something isn’t “right”.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
I’ve got to go back to something I said earlier about Santorum. (And before anyone makes it a “Conservative/Liberal” thing; IT’S NOT! I felt the same way about Weiner, Spitzer and some other Liberals; so don’t go there…)
Santorum (IMO) gives off an odd “vibe” that I can’t put my finger on. He states his positions with conviction…but with “anger” and some sense of “conflict”. (And that ever present smirk doesn’t help).
Hey…he probably lives a more “virtuous” life than I do (that wouldn’t take much!)…but something isn’t “right”.