3rd Cycle Critique

Pharma / TRT
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Hi all,
pls critique my 3rd cycle. Some info about me:

Age: 24
Train: 6 years
BF: about 10-11 per
Goal: better strength and some muscles :slight_smile:
Weight: 80kg (176 lbs)

Training:

  1. Legs, Calves
  2. Chest, Triceps
  4. Back, Biceps
  5. Delts, Legs - 3x6, Traps, Calves

This system is combination of 1-6 (wave system) and some principles of bear routine. Some can tell that is too hard but on roids i mean this is ideal for strength and mass. Legs are there 2 times, couse i have big problems with this part of my body. First exercise is: 1x1 (maximal strength), 1x4,5,6 (mass and strength).

Example:

Back:

Deadlift-1x1,1x4,1x5,1x6,1x1,1x4,1x5,1x6,1x1,1x6/120-180s
Bent Over Rows - 3x6 /90s
Chin - 3x6

After 5 weeks, BOW will be first, Deadlift second (stagnation)

Nutrition:

Now i am about 3g/kg protein, so i must have protein intake 4-4,5g/kg. Plan:

400g Protein, 250-300 Carbo in traning days, 150 Carbo in free days, 70-80g of Fat

Supplementation: vitamin C, fish oil, magnesium and
B-complex

Cycle:

Test.Propionate: 1-9w: 100mg EOD T, 10w: 50mg EOD
D-Bol: 1-4w: 40mg, 5w: 30mg, 6w: 20mg, 7w: 10mg
Winstrol (tab): 5-9w: 75mg, 10w: 50mg

PCT: 40mg Tamoxifen 10,11
20MG Tamoxifen 12,13,14
ECA: 11,12,13

After cycle train 3xweek, 4x8-12reps, duration 4 weeks than next strength/mass routine.

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If this is your third cycle than I think that 350mg/week of prop is not enough. Also, I am not a fan of eod prop injections. If you do not want to shoot ed than use cyp.

It appears that you switch directly from one oral to another without coming off. 10 weeks straight of oral use is ill advised. If you really want to use both orals run the dbol for the first 3-4 weeks and the winstrol for the last 3-4 weeks. Still not ideal but it will give you a little break.

Lastly, your 40mg/day of nolv should start after you stop shooting prop. In week 10 it appears you are doing both. Oh, I almost forgot, your orginal plan has you on winstrol until week 11. Stop it the same time you stop the prop.

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Thanks for reply. It is not problem 150mg EOD. EOD system is better for testosterone stability in blood (4,5 testosterone propionate half-life)than ED. But problem is that i find two different half-lives for propionate 2 days and 4,5 days. :-/ So, what is right?

Oral stack - i can use lower doses (30mg dbol, 50mg stan). I mean 10 weeks is ok.

PCT - ouch, i correct it. Win end with propionate of course.

What about my nutrition and train? It´s ok? Have you any idea wich train will be better for this cycle?

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I should just copy and paste 2thepains response so that you just can re read it again and maybe this time take something from it.

ED injections of prop are much better than EOD. 75mg/day

Lowering the dosage of the oral is not better or the same as changing the weeks that you use them.

Dont run the ECA stack post cycle as this will likley eat up pretty much all or any gains that you have made.

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  1. EOD injection would be sufficient, but not optimal for the propionate ester. You may not have a problem. If you do, just switch to ED injections.

  2. You’ve already done two cycles and have trained for 6 years, buy you’re only 80kg? You may need to work on your nutrition. Workout looks sufficient, so nutrition is the likely problem.

  3. You will probably do better with more test. Even with the orals, 350mg/wk is just not enough. This leads me to assume you messed up your first two cycles using a similar approach. Use 500mg/wk minimum, and preferably more like 700mg.

  4. 10 weeks of oral use is not recommended, especially at your intended doses. You’d be wise to take the advice given and split up the orals so you’re doing two 4-week oral cycles during the 10-week injectable cycle. Weeks 1-4 and 7-10, so 2 weeks off between oral cycles.

  5. PCT: Nolvadex weeks 11/12/13/14 at 40/30/20/10mg each day, or if you are more sensitive to estrogen then weeks 11/12/13/14/15 at 40/40/30/20/10mg each day.

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bushidobadboy: I am not rebutting it out of hand! I corrected scheme of my cycle, thanks for every suggestion.

My mistake, ED is of course better for testosterone blood level stability. I compared every 2 and 3 days, i wrote it fast and i still have problem with english. You´re right. But 10 weeks ED aplication with painfull propioante can be problem, tried you this system in longer cycle? (10-12 weeks)

Orals - it is subjective, somebody have problems with gyno, liver etc, but i tried dbol in 2 cycles (8weeks but in pyramid system)without any health problems. I agree with you, but 2 weeks off in the middle of cycle, i mean is not good idea, i rather do 8 weeks cycle only.

Schwarzeneger:

  1. OK
  2. 80kg, but i mean in good shape. Now i am long time on low-carb diet, so fell down of my weight was my goal. 2 years ago was my weight 108kg, but i was fat bastard :-)My standard weight is 85-90kg, now i am in my best shape
  3. OK
  4. Wich doses are optimal for 10 weeks? 2 weeks off orals will be not have negative effect on this cycle?
  5. OK, thanks

Cycle:

Test.Propionate: 1-9w: 150mg EOD T, 10w: 75mg EOD
D-Bol: 1-4w: 30mg, 5w: 20mg, 6w: 10mg, 7w: 5mg
Winstrol (tab): 5-9w: 50mg, 10w: 25mg

PCT: Nolvadex weeks 11/12/13/14 at 40/30/20/10mg

Last question: What you mean about tapering down. Is better 4w:30mg DBol and 6w:50 Winny without tapering down or my current cycle scheme.

Thank you all!