[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Charlie Horse wrote:
“Why we are here?” As an atheist: Big bang>stars died>planet formed>etc for me “why” kind of looks like “how”. Unless there really is a god then the “why” becomes “why did he/she/it create it/us”. So to me it looks like both “why” and “how” go together for both. I religion the god is the “how” in science the “how” is still being explored.
The “why” question would change if I believed god existed.
“Would observations of nature and its characteristics really shed much light on characteristics of the supernatural?” I do not assume that there is a supernatural.
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Where’d the big bang come from?[/quote]
Short answer is something from nothing, this is the answer given. Don’t ask me to explain it I haven’t even gotten around to really reading about it.
Both the big bang and god are ideas that I have difficulty understanding. Everything after the big bang is believable to me and almost none of the biblical stories are believable to me. God has not been proven to exist in a way I would believe he exists. There has been some evidence showing that there was a big bang. The big bang seems more likely, too me, than god.
Of course you could just read my above post.
<In science the “how” is still being explored.>
Can there not be things still needing to be explored and discovered and questions needing to be answered must we know RIGHT NOW how it all happened?
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Oh hell fuck NO! You aren’t going to claim ‘something from nothing’ and then scurry away because you haven’t ‘read about it yet’. How can you claim something you know nothing about is real? Seriously…
Prove something from nothing…Now may be a good time to read up on it since this you belief.
Don’t you want to know what you believe or are you going to take such an absurd, logically impossible claim on pure faith? I thought you didn’t believe in taking things on faith?
Prove your something from nothing and I will show you why your wrong…I have read plenty on the matter, it’s an epic fail.[/quote]
I said I don’t understand it(big bang) and I have read up on it and watched stuff on it and it still confuses me but I don’t believe in god. The not believing in god is constant, and will never change unless there is proof. There is no proof of god!
No one not you, the church, or the physicists have been able to explain how it(the beginning) happened so that I can understand it. NO ONE HAS. Which I have said over and over again.
The scientist have never said they know everything and I wouldn’t trust anyone(like a religion) that said they did.
edit* Out of curiosity where did god come from?[/quote]
Time to read up, because what you are doing is taking things on pure, blind faith…You don’t know how, where or why, but you know God didn’t do it? How, based on what your 5 senses tell you? Do they tell you everything there is to know?
By definition alone, God could not come from anything, if he did, he wouldn’t be God.
When you figure out the rest, you’ll figure out why this must be true. Whether you believe it or not is another matter.
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You are a lousy recruiter of your beliefs. I have said over and over again I don’t know and will not believe in anything without proof. I give the big band people the benefit of the doubt because they are trying to make it something I can understand but all you or any other god believer has ever done to convince me of god is to confuse me, make a fool of me, and dazzle me with bullshit.