It doesn’t sound like he said that at all…? Look you sound pretty typical of your age. Head strong and needing confirmation. If you are looking for a bunch of strangers to give you support and the push you need just say it. @systemlord was pretty fair in his first assessment. You can still build muscle absent ideal T. Sure its not nearly as easy but with diet, training, and discipline its doable. I did it. I felt I was young when I started in my mid 30s. At 22, I think its a last resort and would certainly get a full set of labs done at least twice, a few months apart.
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Why tho? If TRT can be a lifechanger for me, I dont see why I should stall getting it.
Its normal for a 22 year old to go up and down in the mood, not able to gain any muscle only fat, not having morningerections, concentration-problems and depression in periods?
Hypogonadism has no age requirement.
I have heard of younger guys having long term benefits from a 3-6 month round of Clomid. It sucked at the time but levels actually stayed elevated after and it didn’t put them on TRT for the rest of their life. I don’t know if it stuck long term (ie years) but I know it helped.
Might be worth looking into. Are you in Danny’s group on Facebook? “TRT and hormone optimization”. One of the docs in the group named Jordan Grant talked about it
I don’t think anyone is saying TRT wouldn’t help you. Just that you need to be cautious starting something that’s a lifelong commitment at that age.
I don’t have evidence to back it up, but I agree with you. I still had libido. Morning erections were pretty much never (maybe once a month). I don’t get them everyday currently, but a couple times a week I do.
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You should stall to think about it more. It isn’t going to kill you to think about a decision of this scope for at least a few months. I was 31 when I started. I was thinking about it for around a year with blood tests a year prior.
How much do you weigh? How active are you? I’d look at kickstarting natural production at such a young age. If that doesn’t work then go towards trt. Moodswings and depression have more likely causes than low T. Having muscle gaining issues and fat issues can be caused by a multitude of issues as well, especially if you were never fit to begin with.
It’s not a magic compound that will fix all your problems. More like something that will magnify your decisions. Good diet, exercise and life decisions plus T will make you look and feel better. Bad diet, exercise and life decisions will be like throwing gasoline on the fire.
Dr. Saya has stated he has treated a fair numbers of guys on low dose clomid, you just have to know how to prescribe it. These mens are those who didn’t stop clomid, but continued using it at microdosing instead of the usual 25-50mg daily and EOD protocols.
Actually yes to all of the above. You are human correct…?
You don’t need to repeat yourself. Sounds like you have it all figured out. Go for it my man. Flag me when your brain matures, you get married and can’t figure out why you have no sperm count for children. I’ll fill you in on the risks at that time.
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You say it like that and it sounds really profound. In reality, the changes were more subtle. I still get days where I think about suicide. TRT will not change things like a bad career, bad marriage, loved ones dying, chronic pain, or anything like that. But if you have been on antidepressants before, it is a lot more powerful than any of those pills, at least it is for me.
I wouldn’t say TRT saved my life, but it has made enough of a positive difference that I wouldn’t ever want to go off of it.
Idk, certain comorbidies are associated with low testosterone… asymtpomatic could literally just mean “he’s been low T all his life, thus doesn’t know what it’s like to feel normal”… 193 is low… not just “I have symptoms at 450 thus I need trt low”… 193 is like, almost eligible for PBS subsidised trt, and honestly most endocrinologists in Australia would give TRT to someone with a TT of 193… they’d boost him up to like 350 
That being said OP needs to figure out why his T is so low… there’s always the potential that the answer can’t be figured out (similarly to my case), in which case the choice has to be made… however ruling out ailment like a pituitary tumour etc is of vital importance in the rare instance that the case is reversible.
Actually hormonal intervention helped me within chronic pain tremendously
I mean… if you’re like me, the issue is (probably) primary… both parents have fertility issues… then he wouldn’t be able to have kids in the first place. He needs to figure out why his T is low, after this an informed decision can be made
Also… according to literature, 100% of men with secondary hypogonadism recover adequte rates of spermatogenesis after 24 months off (that’d be 24 very shitty months though)
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can you take a step back and try to give us a more accurate picture of where you’re at? Originally you mentioned no side effects. Sexual interest is good? But how about performance. I’m interested in sex no matter what. My enjoyment and performance are more directly tied to T levels. What is your diet like? Exercise habits? Do you drink often? It’s important for you to be able to look at this as objectively as possible at your age before too flippantly making a lifelong decision based on a number on a piece of paper.
Yeah the proper route would be
Then you could find out primary or secondary.
Do you happen to know what the recovery rates are if staying on, but using drugs like HCG, FSH, clomid?
I have read the recovery of spermatogenesis paper, but I don’t think they looked at groups that stayed on test?
I have more than 2 labs, probably around 5 prior to trt, and a bunch while on. The notion of primary stems from LH/FSH still being well within range after 6 months on TRT
May I ask, why did you think about it so much? Ye, its a commitment for life, but if that means much better lifequality, then I have no problems going for it.
So your saying that everyone on trt cant get child?
Many struggle indeed. No guarantees.
It’s a commitment for life as you said. I was concerned about fertility issues. Data says almost all regain fertility. The problem is time. It can take two years for some. I fear deciding for children, and having to go to a TT of 100 ng/dl for extended periods to recover sperm production.
My body is better and stronger than it has ever been. Energy is better. It is not like a light switch though not a night and day difference. I still have concentration issues and some but a bit less anxiety.
Just my two sense. I am a careful person. I think about big decisions for a long time.
Everyone considering having a child should also seriously consider adopting. The world would be a better place, and it makes things easier for guys on TRT. Problem solved.