The one thing that still has me hesitant is fertility. I want to make sure I can still have kids in the future, I’ve already ruled out any underlying pituitary issues so I’m quite confident that with a HTPA restart I will be able to produce quality sperm again. Is it unrealistic for me to run TRT for two years or so. Come back home, come off TRT temporarily and freeze semen for future fertility?
And how much testicular atrophy should I be expecting? My balls aren’t necessarily large as is, closest resemblance would be a grape?
I imagine after a certainty period on TRT you would just start firing blanks right?
@paperklippp Search fertility here. There’s numerous long threads all about the issue. I wouldn’t be doing you any favors summarizing it in a sentence but most guys here want kids (myself included) and we are all on TRT. You’ll see my responses on those threads about it.
If you are going to freeze sperm you should do it before TRT. No you don’t shoot blanks but it will make it some degree less fertile but likely not infertile and there are ways to combat that when ready to conceive. The level of testicular atrophy differs from person to person but the general theme is not enough to matter. When you are much better looking you think about your nut size much less. So does she.
I also have this worry about fertility, Im trying to schedule freezing sperm and start TRT immediately after.
Hope all to be done next month. I want to make this Christmas present for my well being finally.
Why are you going to start only 25mg EOD? This is very little in my opinion. I think you should start at least 40mg if you are doing EOD. I personally plan to start 20-25MG daily, but will discuss this with the doctor what will be best for my personal situation and other hormones and markers.
Not saying that you should stay away from TRT, but you should get the proper information. Make sure to read the two articles below.
Key message:
Exogenous testosterone was investigated as a male contraceptive agent, and it was found to result in azoospermia in approximately 75% of men after only 6 months of use.
An analysis of 30 published clinical trials reported the probability of recovery to 20 million sperm/ml at 6, 12 and 24 months were 67%, 90% and 100%, respectively. These studies were however performed in a controlled setting for a clinical trial, with a limited duration of TRT. In actual practice, recovery may not be as pronounced.
If I was in a situation to stop TRT for fertility reasons I would definitly use clomiphene not only for faster recovery of fertility but also to keep the hypogonadal time period following TRT cessation to a minimum.
But best options at young age are anyway either clomiphene if you can tolerate or T+hCG to prevent infertility in the first place.
My test E arrived today.
Just did my first subQ pin of 37.5mg administered at 2pm which i plan on doing eod when i wake up, I also have arimidex on hand but i do not plan on using it.
This is the beginning of my TRT log.
My current symptoms are as followed.
-Lack of libido: i haven’t masturbated in 20 days, i still have a low libidio but i have noticed it to be slightly higher presumably due to semen retention. I’m participating in no nutt november, also because i feel significantly more fatigued the following day after masturbation.
-Lack of morning wood: I rarely get morning wood, maybe once per week if i’m lucky.
-Brain Fog: This is a big one for me, my memory is absolutely horrid. I’m always forgetting things and easily get lost when navigating a new place. Difficulty concentrating for periods longer than 5 minutes.
-Anxiety: I’m not usually an anxious person, but i lack the urge to socialise and meet new people and women, keep in mind i’m currently on a working holiday with tonnes of young people who are eager to socialize and party, but i really struggle to keep up.
I won’t be able to get bloods done for at least a few months, as i have to take a long bus down to a major city (vancouver) and even then i’m not too sure if i’ll be able to find a private clinic. So its key that this protcol works for me from the start which is why i have chosen the frequent injections.
Pretty sad to see low T claiming another young person. Good luck to you, hope there won’t be any complications and you start to live your life like you were meant to.
Yep. Started with docs, dropped them because they were clueless, pharma grade Susta was too expensive. Went with UGL test instead. Unfortunately never dialed in and still feel like shit after 3 years on test. Too much fucking with AI, changing doses too early and probably thyroid or some other issue involved as well. So don’t make the same mistakes I did and you’ll be fine.
I started one year earlier than you with my own self-treatment and it has been one of my best decisions I have ever made.
I just wished I could have learned more about the other hormones like the thyroid and cortisol, before starting the TRT so that I didn’t had to deal with those hormonal problems in the last couple of months.
62.5mg of cyp E3.5D no AI
I’m only starting week 3, so I can’t say much yet. I do feel E2 sides though, so in general still feel like crap, getting used to it by now. But I’ll do the labs once I’m back from abroad to see where I stand.
So 150mg a week? Could be fine. Do the labs after week 6 if you feel bad, there is no point in pointless suffering.
Hypothyroidism, adrenal fatigue, non anemic irom defiency and vitamin B12 deficiency.
The absolute fucked up.thing about this is that none of my 5 problems would be considered a problem.according to.medical system so I just decided.to take.things into my own hands.
I’ve got low SHGB which is why i’ve gone for the EOD protocol.
I’m hoping my dosage is not too high but it seems like 150mg is somewhere in the middle.
I won’t be able to get bloods done for a significant amount of time so i’m really hoping this works out.
You said you’re abroad. do you have any issues travelling with UGL test?
also are you Australian?
today marks a little bit over two weeks since starting my first injection.
First week i felt quite a large increase in libido, I’m presuming this may be partly due to placebo but also increased dopamine? Libido dropped off a little in the second week but as of today i’ve noticed a few spontaenous erections which is a good sign.
energy levels are good, i’m not longer having large troughs during the day were i feel super sluggish. I still have pretty bad brainfog and memory issues but im confident this will lift in the next few weeks, i should also mention i’ve been consuming quite a bit of weed. (its legal in canada and my Australian roommates are loving it)
I’ve been noticing slight post injection pain in some of the subq sites, the redness and swelling seems to surpass after 2 days. The pain is only noticable when im snowboarding and have to get up from the ground.
I’ve been training 2-3 times a week still, this has proven to be quite difficult because there is a VERY big party atmosphere here and its difficult to say no and not drink every other night.
In saying that, i noticed today i had a lot more aggression in the gym. I even felt a big stronger than usual too, once again might be placebo.
What changes should i expect over the next few weeks? Also worth mentioning i can barely grow facial hair, would that increase too? or is that mostly due to genetics.
I think your dosage is too high, let me explain why. Your pre-TRT Shbg level is 28, soon it will be lower, FT will shoot up and estrogen along with it. You probably have low SHBG within 6 weeks.
There was a reason why I recommended 25mg EOD, because men usually start out too high in dosing. I have been doing this for a while and on occasion I am wrong, but most of the time I’m dead on balls accurate.
Facial hair is genetics, I have facial hair at 91 ng/dL, a full beard if I so choose. It grows faster in TRT. My brother, well he is like a hairless cat.
Thanks for the quick response systemlord, i really appreciate your presence on this forum you’re a big help.
I will follow your advice, should i lower my dose immediately or wait a few more weeks?
Keep in mind i won’t have access to any blood work for at least a couple of months.
