This is revisionist history. We DID have a due process that Trump had access to. He brought a zillion cases in front of a multitude of judges, who ALL decided that there was insufficient evidence to move forward. The ‘insurrectionist loons’ came into the picture after this process occurred.
I get that we’re on different sides of the table, and I’m hardly unbiased here - but this specifically was a point of concern for me tbh.
As @twojarslave mentioned, there were many states which changed their voting laws within days before, some even changed laws during the voting period. This is cause for concern; did they have no foresight whatsoever or was it a plot? Trying to reign in my inner conspiracy theorist here, but this should at least be considered suspect and warrant investigating. But I guess the dems won, so it’s not worth investigating to the DOJ - they got what they wanted.
You don’t see the irony of your statement.
Probably not.
Myers-Briggs Type - ISTP
What are the chances I understand anything you say?
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I don’t believe it was the cleanest nor do I believe it was the dirtiest, there’s no way to know either way.
As far as voter ID, if that’s what you’re referring to, I don’t understand why there is any debate on that, I have no knowledge of any developed country that doesn’t
require voters to show their ID.
I admit that I don’t really know how, say, a Spanish guy who might be an immigrant in Norway cast his vote in Spanish elections. I’d imagine some may vote in the Consulate or via mail, but I’m sure there’s some sort of registry that require ID.
As far as the elections being stolen, I have not seen any proof. I’m sure some situations of voter fraud happened, I read about a few of those (here, maybe?) about voter fraud situations on the Republican side.
You probably know or read about such situations on the Democratic side.
Doesn’t prove anything one way or the other.
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I don’t understand that liberal arts mush.
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My employer tried to use that liberal arts mush to help communication within the company. It seemed to help a little. “S” and “N” people said volumes to me. I quickly understood precise words mean nothing to an “N”
You need to register to vote in order to vote. I don’t know about every state but you usually need ID to register. When you show up to vote, you need to at least say who you are so they can see if you registered. This is where the claims of massive fraud fall apart. If you weren’t eligible to register to vote, and didn’t register to vote, you would need to take the place of someone who did register. Meaning, you would need to claim you were one of the registered voters on the list. Imagine a few million people showing up to vote and being told that they had already voted. This would go unnoticed?
Now, if the fraud happens with people who are ineligible being allowed to register, like illegals, we would be still be looking at millions of people. What kind of organization would it take to register millions of illegals?
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I don’t think you know what liberal arts means. Here’s a hint: the arts part is from the Latin ars and doesn’t mean what you think.
I don’t care what the definition means. I care about the way most of those who study the liberal arts think. Typically they are ruled by intuition and feelings. Those are meaningless methods of seeing matters and drawing conclusions as I see it.
You studied liberal arts.
I think you’re talking about a very specific section of the liberal arts population. For example: psychology, philosophy, and economics are all liberal arts majors at the University I went to. My majors were psychology and philosophy. I can assure you, particularly in the philosophy department, that students were far from ‘ruled by intuition and feelings’. That particular major is mostly occupied by future law students who are learning to analyze arguments, dissect them, and present clear, concise arguments of their own. Almost the polar opposite of ‘feelings and intuition’. And I doubt many people describe economics majors as intuitive, feelings-driven individuals. I could speak to other liberal arts majors as well, but these were the first three that came to mind.
Just saying. The broad strokes don’t work well.
EDIT: add to the list, Chemistry, Biology, Sociology, Anthropology, Mathematics, History, any foreign language degree, religious studies. The list can go on. I think most people would consider these to be relatively serious degrees. At the very least, not the type of person you’ve described as a typical liberal arts major. Many, many doctors, lawyers, and other professionals get bachelors degrees in the liberal arts before pursuing their higher level, professional degrees. If I had not gone into the business I went into, I would have pursued a law degree. I just happened to fall into a better situation.
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Just curious. Have you taken the Myers-Briggs Type test?
I know that I have, but it was years ago, and I don’t remember the results, nor what any of the letters mean.
Do you think I would benefit from taking it again?
My employer required all managers to take the Myers-Briggs Type test and displayed their result on their desk.
I was chosen to be one the corporate strategy team for a couple years and then assigned to the Six Sigma Initiative Team (about 2 years) to implement Six Sigma corporate wide. In those two years I went through the Green Belt curriculum. I have an extensive education and understanding of mathematics that was centered mostly around calculus. During the Green Belt I feel for the beauty of statistics. I assisted many managers achieving their Green Belt.
Also, I implemented many process management metrics associated around electro power production that were the underpinning of the metrics required by government and upper management.
Knowing the Myers-Briggs Type of each manager I dealt with a great benefit. If I am dealing with a xSxx, I know that they respect actual values. But if they were a xNxx, a numerical value had much less value to them. Six Sigma is all about accurate measurements and actual values. With a xNxx it was an uphill battle. They prefer to rely on their intuition (N) to make decisions. Couple an “N” with “F” (feelings make decisions) a xNFx and it was almost a hopeless case to win a Six Sigma convert, especially if it is coupled with a “J” (xNFJ), because they are firmly committed to their current belief.
Should you retake the test? Without knowing the type of those around, it might be of minimal value. Or, if you are like me, you might make a best guess what their type is. Hence your reply to me.
I know, and I find the allegations of massive voter fraud to be ludicrous.
I’m sure people who claim it would still do if it was required to show ID come voting time.
Still, I don’t get why people would oppose proof of voter ID (if any actually do).
in a nutshell, this is essentially how I view the test: that it absolutely has value in corporate structures. That’s something that is not a part of my life. I’ve mostly seen the Myers-Briggs test used in corporate structures to help with employee/management relationships, and I’ve seen people put it on their dating profiles. Since neither thing exists in my life, I’ve never seen a need to take it outside of sheer curiosity. And I’m not particularly curious about it either. I have a pretty good sense of those qualities about myself, without assigning letter values to them.
Architecture is also tought at many fine arts Universities. Historically, one of the main fine arts, actually.
I think the opposition tends to be more against very specific forms of ID, including photo ID’s or driver’s licenses. I would not be opposed to a photo ID requirement IF the government issued photo ID’s free of charge to all citizens/registered voters who do not have any other photo ID in their possession. But any photo ID requirement that costs money is unconstitutional, as far as I understand it. If you require a voter to present a photo ID that had to be purchased, you’re essentially implementing a poll tax, which is illegal.
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