I mean, Hillary literally was spying on a sitting president via the FBI.
The FBI was also weaponized against political opponents a la Michael Flynn as well. The interviewing agents literally wrote “What’s our goal? Truth/Admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?”
They were asking Flynn about details that occurred like 3 months prior, he mistakenly recounted the events, then they threw him in jail for lying to the government. (Cases like this are typically thrown out under terms of “human error”).
There are so many bold-faced lies that surround the DOJ and Trump… it wouldn’t surprise me if papers were planted.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’m skeptical the president has these powers without going through a process (like it has to be at least documented, and I don’t think that was done, and I don’t think it can be done after the fact, or as a claim he did so without evidence). I’m guessing what type of classification the document is matters?
The President, after all, is the “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.” U.S.Const., Art. II, § 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant.See Cafeteria Workers v. McElroy,367 U. S. 886, 367 U. S. 890 (1961). Department of the Navy v. Egan :: 484 U.S. 518 (1988) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center
Not so sure he needs a specific process, but I could be wrong… I’m not exactly a constitutional law expert lol
I think there’s a lot here that’s cloudy, but one thing that is pretty clear is that the power to declassify information does not extend past the term of his presidency. And if there is no record whatsoever of him declassifying these documents, that will be a huge hurdle for him with this argument.
I’m skeptical that they would have gotten a warrant or did a raid if he had declassified them. I think they knew what was missing, and what had been declassified. Could be wrong, but I think the feds are typically pretty careful with this sort of thing.
I can print out any classified documents at work, the only way anyone would know I took them home is if someone watched me do it… there’s not really a ‘tracker’ on this stuff most of the time.
legal disclaimer: I don’t bring home classified documents, don’t raid me FBI
I don’t really know. There are other ways of roughly knowing what he had though. Which guests he had, and what they would be interested in, for example. I’m not saying that’s what they did. We don’t know much at this point. Could be nothing, could be something.
Were you skeptical of the Russia russia russia hoax that they had on trump???
The feds have not been careful about this at all
if he is guilty of a felony or high crimes then he should prosecuted for it…but don’t sit here and think this was not political to keep him from running again
I’m sure the walls are closing in on Trump this time.
Just like when the career politicians insisted he cheated with Putin to win in 2016…
And that time the career politicians said they had him on video pissing on a Russian hooker.
And that time when the career politicians said he had shady dealings with corrupt Ukrainians, before Ukraine became a symbol of Democracy the career politicians wrote a 66 Billion dollar blank check to.
And that time he was working with Putin yet again to place bounties on American soldiers in Afghanistan.
This FBI raid at this time will surely be the time when the career politicians stick it to that corrupt and racist evil man Donald Trump.
The “raid” on Trump is just more solid proof that we are a divided country. If the Democratic side were just the opposition party hatred for Trump would not yield extreme actions.
And I will concede that the Right has about as much hatred toward the Left.
If this hatred persists it will lead to the eventual end of the USA. And even today many believe “USA” is a trigger to suppress various minority groups. 20 years ago, who would have ever seen that coming?
I am sure glad I lived most of my life when all loved “USA” Best wishes to all you young folks.
It’s been my experience that it’s really only on the internet, and internet fueled things like protests that degrade into riots that this seems to be the case. My neighborhood is filled with folks with all kinds of different political affiliations. We’ve got some very left leaning folks that surely have some woke ideas, and some hardcore righties who probably have their own ideas. I’m the radical one of the group who’s probably best characterized as an independent. Somehow we all get along great.
I bet if we all hopped online and were completely anonymous that wouldn’t be the case.
It’s just one mans opinion, but I think we’ll be a-okay if people start to live their lives in person again.
You should assume IT is tracking everything you do on a government system. Logging printer events is pretty trivial. I’ll admit, just because the data is there doesn’t mean it’s immediately actionable, but it will show up in an audit.
I’m sure you know this, but handling practices are different for collateral and SCI (which Trump is accused of having). There are more physical and technical security measures in place to protect the latter.
Trump lost to mediocre politician decades past his prime by like 6 million votes. I’d say the American people stuck it to him. I’m sure at least some of the folks that made up that margin were affected by that list of “controversies”.
Back to the thread topic… Trump’s lead over DeSantis just went up. The FBI raid may wind up being the thing that clinches the Republican nomination for him. I wonder if anyone in this thread who was on the fence between Trump and DeSantis before the raid is now firmly on Team Trump?
I think you’re spot on. People basically want the same things for their families. The part you’re leaving out is how politicians and special interests exploit and magnify the differences for their own benefit.
Agree, and it was an intentional omission. On the ground level we get along just fine, unless someone is a legit asshole. Then we all point and laugh and talk shit, because screw that asshole.
When we all get online we’re inundated with the stuff that divides us, and some are able to see it for what it is, some are unable to. Some of us get incredibly spun up by it whether they see it or not.
Point is, go talk to your neighbor and I bet they’re pretty cool.