2008 NBA Playoff Thread

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
timbofirstblood wrote:
tGunslinger wrote:
D’Antoni makes a little more sense in that it’s quite obvious by now that the run-n-gun, go go go Suns can’t get past the Spurs in the playoffs. Also, PHX’s current window is just about slammed shut, so it makes more sense to start over.

I was thinking along these lines myself. The whole system in Pheonix isn’t working. I’m surprised D’Antoni wasn’t the one to go.

I gotta disagree guys. With Marion, the system was working. I’d put money on it that the Suns win that series without Horry’s body check and the gambling ref interfering. It’s a moot point, of course, 'cause we’ll never know. The Suns arent gonna start over, at least not yet. They gave up so much to get Shaq that they’re gonna give it at least one full year before they scrap it. Their problems are only getting worse now. Nash, while never a standout defender is getting older and slower and is getting ABUSED by any top shelf point in the league. Shaq isn’t 28, or even 33 and is being asked too much of his old, flabby body. Stoudemire is entering the prime of his career, but would be wise to ask to get traded to a contender so he can get away from this impending mess. If the Suns could get a big, athletic 2 who can put pressure on the opposing D while containing penetration from someone like Ginobli they’d be taking steps in the right direction, but I don’t know who they’d give up to get that. Guess they never shoulda let Joe Johnson go either…[/quote]

You just enumerated the reasons why Phoenix’s window is closed or very nearly closed. If they could undo the Shaq deal, then I’d have given the old crew one more go round. But they’re stuck with an old, broken down Shaq that is horribly overpaid considering his production and future playing ability. At this point, he’s basically Kendrick Perkins with five times the salary and a minute fraction of the future production.

As it is, they’re not going anywhere in the short term, and their long term outlook is horrible considering their roster today.

They’ve got Amare to build around for the future, but they’ve got to get him out of that “defense-is-optional” atmosphere if they don’t want to seriously dent his future development.

You see it all the time in every sport: the teams that cannot accept the fact that their window has passed and irrationally try to hold their “core” together end up in far worse shape than if they’d just rebuilt when it became clear that their run was over.

Phoenix’s run is over. Period.

First order of business is to bring in a coach that will emphasize defense. Second order of business, IMO, is to unload Nash and Shaq for as much as I can get. Go for cap space, young players, and draft picks to build around Amare. Decide right now whether or not you’re going to make a run at LeBron when his rookie contract expires. Then rebuild that roster from the ground up.

[quote]deputydawg wrote:
Xeniese:

 I love that avatar.  It's like a magnet that keeps disturbing my thought processes.  [/quote]

LOL. It has the same effect on me.

Thursday, May 1 Recap:

  1. Pistons defeat 7) 76ers 100-77: Chauncey Billups had 20 points and 7 assists, and the Pistons use a big first quarter to help them finish off the Sixers and take the series 4-1. Andre Iguodala had 16 points, but once again, little help from anyone else, and were outplayed again tonight.

Stud of the Night: Richard Hamilton. Rip had 24 points, including 13 points in the first quarter and outscored the Sixers by himself 13-12, and help the Pistons advance to the second round of the playoffs to face the Magic.

Plenty of knowledgeable folks in this thread who will enjoy this article as much as I did. By Bill Simmons, a columnist at ESPN.com:

[quote]chillain wrote:
Plenty of knowledgeable folks in this thread who will enjoy this article as much as I did. By Bill Simmons, a columnist at ESPN.com:

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The “what-if” game is generally pointless, but it sure is fun to play. If nothing else, this really hammered home how shitty franchises usually stay that way. That was an interesting read. Thanks for the link, Chillain.

Enjoyed the article. Interesting. How the hell does one guy keep all of those facts in his head and straight?

[quote]Xeneize wrote:
chillain wrote:
Plenty of knowledgeable folks in this thread who will enjoy this article as much as I did. By Bill Simmons, a columnist at ESPN.com:

The “what-if” game is generally pointless, but it sure is fun to play. If nothing else, this really hammered home how shitty franchises usually stay that way. That was an interesting read. Thanks for the link, Chillain.[/quote]

Yeah I agree, what-ifs are a waste of time because it probably won’t happen, and I really don’t like Bill Simmons that much anyways (I respect him as a journalist, but just not a fan), but that was a good read. Thanks for the link chillain.

Who the hell thought the Celtics-Hawks were gonna go SEVEN games?!!

[quote]Xeneize wrote:
Who the hell thought the Celtics-Hawks were gonna go SEVEN games?!![/quote]

Its unbelievable, this series even if Celtics win-which they should they have dominated at home start to finish- its going to leave its impression. The other teams no longer fear the Celtics, and because of this series the Celtics will not go to finals now.

King James did what he always does – crown the Wizards, with a fat triple double. Washington probably has nightmares about LeBron.

The Rockets’ nutsack shriveled up, yet again, when it mattered. Utah will be the Lakers’ sacrificial lamb.

And congrats to Kobe for a long, long overdue MVP award.

[quote]shizen wrote:
Xeneize wrote:
Who the hell thought the Celtics-Hawks were gonna go SEVEN games?!!

Its unbelievable, this series even if Celtics win-which they should they have dominated at home start to finish- its going to leave its impression. The other teams no longer fear the Celtics, and because of this series the Celtics will not go to finals now. [/quote]

I wouldn’t say they can’t make it to the finals. But by the time they get there they are not going to be in nearly as good shape as they otherwise would have been. The most striking thing to me about the Hawks-Celtics series is that all the games have been home team victories.

Correct me if I’m wrong but, isn’t one of the hallmarks of a true playoff contender that they WIN ON THE OPPONENTS FLOOR. Additionally, the Celtics had 2 humbling losses to learn from their mistakes and they still blew it on the 3rd go through. At least the Hawks have the ‘young, inexperienced’ card to draw from, but what is the Celtic’s excuse? No, the Celtics are looking suspiciously like last year’s Dallas Mavericks.

This will be an interesting Game 7… that I might not be able to see.

Friday, May 3rd Recap:

  1. Cavaliers defeat 5) Wizards 105-88: LBJ with a trip-dub (27/13/13), and the Cavs beat the Wizards in a first-round series for the third year in a row. Antawn Jamison had 23 points and 15 boards, but it wasn’t enough for the Wizards to extend the series to Game 7.

  2. Hawks defeat 1) Celtics 103-100: The Hawks top 6 guys all scored in double figures, and Joe Johnson’s late three help seal the game for the Hawks and force a game 7. Kevin Garnett had 22, 7 boards, and 6 assists for the Celtics, who try to wrap up the series at home.

  3. Jazz defeat 5) Rockets 113-91: Deron Williams scored 25 points, including 13 in the which turned out to be critical third quarter, and the Jazz beat the Rockets in the first round again. Tracy McGrady went off for 40 points and 10 boards, but has not advanced to the second round yet in his career.

Stud of the Night: LeBron James. 27 points, 13 boards, 13 dimes. The King reigns supreme once again. Bring him his crown and let him sit on the throne of the second round.

[quote]Xeneize wrote:
Who the hell thought the Celtics-Hawks were gonna go SEVEN games?!![/quote]

Who the hell thought the Celtics-Hawks were gonna go FIVE games?!! Definitely not me, especially after the first two games were blowouts by the C’s.

The Hawks have nothing to lose, and won every game at home in the series. I don’t know if the Hawks were juiced up and the crowd was behind them, or if the C’s really struggled that badly on the road. One road loss I can understand, but THREE road losses in three games to a team that finished 8 games below .500? Good thing they have home-court advantage throughout the playoffs.

[quote]Xeneize wrote:

And congrats to Kobe for a long, long overdue MVP award.[/quote]

Xeneize beat me to it. Congrats Kobe Bryant, slam dunk giant, much deserved.

I’ll post the link when it becomes official. But in the meantime, congrats to Kevin Durant for winning Rookie of the Year.

http://www.nba.com/news/durant_roy_080501.html

Not benching 185 pounds obviously got him pretty far. Seems like the less you bench, the more money you make. HMMMMMMMM. LOL.

Looks like the first round so far has a familiar ring to it: Cavs beat the Wiz, Jazz beat the Rockets, Spurs beat the Suns (although they usually play each other in later rounds). Seems like we are coming across familiar territory.

Something I definitely didn’t expect was the C’s and the Pistons to lose at least two games in their first round matchups. I expected sweeps from both, and at the most, five games.

Good playoffs so far, let’s keep it going.

[quote]tmoney1 wrote:
Xeneize wrote:

And congrats to Kobe for a long, long overdue MVP award.

Xeneize beat me to it. Congrats Kobe Bryant, slam dunk giant, much deserved.

I’ll post the link when it becomes official. But in the meantime, congrats to Kevin Durant for winning Rookie of the Year.

http://www.nba.com/news/durant_roy_080501.html

Not benching 185 pounds obviously got him pretty far. Seems like the less you bench, the more money you make. HMMMMMMMM. LOL.[/quote]

I should ask for a raise than…

GO HAWKS tomorrow. (wont be able to watch:( )

Huge opening game by the Hornets. That set the tone for this series early. Interesting to see how the Spurs respond in Game 2.

Funny how the three times the Hornets beat the Spurs this year, they’ve all been blowouts.

Orlando may take 1 or 2 games off Detroit, but not more than that.

Well, I think everyone knew Boston would win game 7. It was nice to dream for a few minutes, though.

[EDIT:] Way to handle your bizness, Lakers!

Saturday, May 3rd Recap:

  1. Pistons defeat 3) Magic 91-72: Chauncey Billups had 19 points, and Jason Maxiell had 10 points in the fourth quarter, and the Pistons take a 1-0 series lead. Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis had 18 points apiece, and Dwight Howard went out with a thumb injury as the Magic only scored 30 points in the second half.

  2. Hornets defeat 3) Spurs 101-82: David West had 30 points and 9 boards, Chris Paul had 17 points and 13 dimes, and the Hornets dominate the Spurs in the second half to go up 1-0. Tony Parker had 23 points, and Tim Duncan was held on only 5 points as the Spurs were outscored 56-33 in the second half.

Stud of the Night: David West. His 30 points and 9 boards helped propel the Hornets to a 1-0 lead with a convincing win over the Spurs.

Sunday, May 4th Recap:

  1. Celtics defeat 8) Hawks 99-65: Kevin Garnett had 18 and 11 rebounds, Paul Pierce added 22, and the Celtics finally advance to the second round. Joe Johnson had 16 points for the Hawks, and Al Horford had 8 points and 12 rebounds to close out a solid rookie campaign, and the Hawks should be proud of their playoff accomplishment and build upon it next year.

  2. Lakers defeat 4) Jazz 109-98: Kobe Bryant had an MVP-like 38 points and 7 assists, and the Lakers take a 1-0 series lead. Mehmet Okur had a monster game with 21 points and 19 boards, and all five Jazz starters scored in double figures, but it was not enough.

Stud of the Night: Kobe Bryant. 38 points, 7 dimes, one MVP on the way, and a 1-0 series lead. All in a day’s work for one of the best in the game.