in my misspent youth , I had a friend that was caught burgling a house . He was poor and did not get an attorney. The Cops told him that if he would claim to do another 5 burglaries they would talk to the prosecutor and the judge and he would not even do jail time . Needless to say the Cops lied he went to jail for a couple years as a minor
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I personally have no problem putting some one in prison for life if we deem him untrustworthy in society . 18 years old is WAY to young to tell if he is trustworthy or not[/quote]
Wow, it looks like we agree on something here!
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
in my misspent youth , I had a friend that was caught burgling a house . He was poor and did not get an attorney. The Cops told him that if he would claim to do another 5 burglaries they would talk to the prosecutor and the judge and he would not even do jail time . Needless to say the Cops lied he went to jail for a couple years as a minor [/quote]
I could give you 100 other similar stories from my old neighborhood in Baltimore. The justice system is corrupt, plain and simple. Basically, money talks and bullshit runs the marathon. If you have money (like I did) you can get a FAR lighter sentence than if you don’t. How is THAT justice?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
HE IS NOT A FIRST TIME OFFENDER. Sure, this is the first time he’s been caught, indicted, and tried. But a guy who commits seven felonies and gets caught once may legally constitute a “first offense” but in every other sense of the word, the guy is a serial felon. Oh, by the way, possession of an illegal firearm (I’m making an assumption it wasn’t legal because most criminals don’t register their weapons with the government) and discharging an illegal firearm in public are both felonies in most states to my knowledge.
If I’ve committed 7 crimes should I only be charged for one of them? If I rape and impregnate 7 women should I only have to pay child support to one child and serve jail time commensurate with a one-time rapist? After all I’m a first offender! I only went to court once!
Get real.[/quote]
He didn’t rape anyone. He didn’t HURT anyone physically. He shot at a DOG. YES he should do prison time, but not for the rest of his life.[/quote]
I know he didn’t rape anyone; it was a parallel argument. He didn’t hurt anyone physically but I’m willing to bet those seven individuals robbed at gunpoint are not going to be “the same” again. He discharged an illegal weapon in public; the target is irrelevant. He committed at least nine felonies by my count.
While I can possibly agree that 100+ years in jail is not the answer, I cannot accept the following:
- That ANYONE thinks he is a first-time offender. He’s not.
- That ANYONE thinks he is a genuinely good person. He’s not. Maybe time in the big house will change that as it changed you.
- That he thinks he “deserves” a damn thing. He’s lucky to be alive. I’d have shot him dead if he robbed my store, even if he was running away.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
in my misspent youth , I had a friend that was caught burgling a house . He was poor and did not get an attorney. The Cops told him that if he would claim to do another 5 burglaries they would talk to the prosecutor and the judge and he would not even do jail time . Needless to say the Cops lied he went to jail for a couple years as a minor [/quote]
I could give you 100 other similar stories from my old neighborhood in Baltimore. The justice system is corrupt, plain and simple. Basically, money talks and bullshit runs the marathon. If you have money (like I did) you can get a FAR lighter sentence than if you don’t. How is THAT justice?
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Agree completely.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
in my misspent youth , I had a friend that was caught burgling a house . He was poor and did not get an attorney. The Cops told him that if he would claim to do another 5 burglaries they would talk to the prosecutor and the judge and he would not even do jail time . Needless to say the Cops lied he went to jail for a couple years as a minor [/quote]
I could give you 100 other similar stories from my old neighborhood in Baltimore. The justice system is corrupt, plain and simple. Basically, money talks and bullshit runs the marathon. If you have money (like I did) you can get a FAR lighter sentence than if you don’t. How is THAT justice?
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I believe it is my youth why I loath Police , I saw first hand what Cops were all about
I believe Cops are necessary evil . The war on drugs makes them borderline unbearable
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I believe Cops are necessary evil . The war on drugs makes them borderline unbearable [/quote]
Dude chill out on the war on drugs. It’s off topic and it’s a law that cops did not legislate. They perform duties in service of that law. Like soldiers, cops do what they are told to do and it’s legally binding that they do so. I get that you don’t like cops because they’ll confiscate your illegal drugs, but it’s not like the cops had a meeting and decided to take your shit because THEY thought it was best.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
LOL I love that scenario with the .357 and the hole. That’s not what happened. Nor did the victims fight in COMBAT. It was a robbery where no one was hurt. But I know better than to argue with YOU about it. As for why I said what I said about law enforcement ect… is that they deal with it so much they are JADED. But I guess I shouldn’t talk about things I don’t know, right?
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Hey, according to you, no one is hurt in my scenario, so why is it invalid?
As for law enforcement, either experience with that segment of society is valid, or it isnâ??t. If their experience has made them jaded, what do you think that tells us? Their experience doesnâ??t become magically invalid because itâ??s from a perspective that opposes yours.
Your last paragraph is BS. My life experience affects my perspective too, just like everyone else. I never said you were a danger. I never even said the guy should go to jail for 160 years. I said he deserved it. BUT, I also said there is room for mercy in the legal system.
As I mentioned earlier, depending on the specifics of the situation I might think he should get some leniency instead of what he deserves. However, getting what you deserve is still justice, and he earned every year of that sentence.