schrauper,
While I agree with every single one of your political points, I disagree with your characterization of Lumpy. Because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are dense. Nor, do they deserve to be called names.
Discuss what?
Rhetoric is not an argument. An accusation is not a question.
If I spewed rhetoric back at you that would simply be feeding in to a pointless shouting match. Too what purpose would that serve?