Maybe not this time, but mostly you do. That was the point I was trying to make.
The guy just cut 2mg of Arimidex a week from his protocol. Do you have any idea how many weeks it will take of him feeling all upside down until he starts feeling better? Do you?
He had 1400 total T WITH an AI and WITH HCG.
The AI prevents conversion to estrogen which means he winds up with more T. Now that he dropped the AI, his T levels will fall a bit. This is BASIC TRT 101.
He was taking HCG which boosted natural production. He’s stopping the HCG so his levels will fall. This is BASIC TRT 101.
He just made TWO changes that will lower his total T. His total T USED to be 1400 and now it may only be 1000-1100 (to be seen) yet you guys now want to cut his dose in half? Are you nuts?
This is why I get aggravated people. This is basic logic and common sense. People dish out advice without looking at the bigger picture and taking in all the relevant details. It’s maddening. The guy has no libido and ED. Been there, done that… and it SUCKS. I don’t want him to feel this way. I want him to get better ASAP.
@angral23 just email me please. I’m about to go postal on these guys.
@angral23 don’t take advice from from the guy who’s about to go postal from too much free T in his system. Also Clarify your dose @angral23. I’m calculating you are taking 280mg/week. Cutting that dose in half and reassessing is the most logical move.
Cutting HCG is a drop in the bucket vs the 280mg/week he’s taking. That’s the relevant, big picture fact here. And his symptoms which aren’t being resolved or are getting worse.
HCG plus 2mg a week of an AI and your focus is his ‘high testosterone’.
You guys crack me up. This is like a sitcom. Only the show ends with you making people worse than they already are.
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Correct and his SHBG is low, meaning his Free T is ungodly high and this means his Free T may very well be converting to E2 which is why he was taking anastrozole, so we instructed him to lower his dosage.
His dosage is in question, I don’t think he is actually injecting 16mg, I think it’s higher. He is using 16 ui which isn’t 16mg of Test, it’s likely much more.This is why he was told to cut his dosage in half and I don’t think it’s unreasonable.
So for someone to come in here and say → “it has to be some of the worst advice I’ve seen here” is just unreasonable.
Statements like this will only get you followers like minded and the rest will not follow. You are actually hurting your cause and giving yourself less credibility.
And now it’s SHBG.
2mg of Arimidex with hcg (no, that can’t be it)
1400 T (Oh my! It’s so high so that’s why he has issues lol!)
Oh, it’s because of his SHBG.
SHBG is irrelevant. Total is irrelevant. Next you’ll bring up thyroid, vitamin B12, zinc, magnesium, his astrological sign, pixies, unicorns, 5th dimensions… just everything you can come up with except for the obvious. He just stopped taking 2mg of Arimidex and HCG.
I’ll repeat (because I know this is difficult for you):
He just stopped taking 2mg of Arimidex and HCG.
His total T will not be 1400 anymore. It will not.
Drop the nonsense. It’s absolute, utter nonsense. I say it over and over and over again. This stuff is SIMPLE yet everyone wants to complicate it for no reason.
Does his dose need to be lowered a touch maybe? Perhaps. NOT BY HALF
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His total is probably higher. He fucked up his dosing. Just trying to get this guys head on straight so he can find a good footing. The reasonable solution would be to bring his dose down to 150mg/week and then reevaluate and increase from there. @dbossa you sound like a guy on a free T bender. You’re parlaying a YouTube channel and a fb group on this free T pitch. I like your style. I’m a madman myself but I’ve been in this game for a while and you’re a one trick pony right now. I’m actually glad you are finding success with it. But it’s not good for new guys with issues to hear your one solution fits all approach. You’ll create just as many problems if not more than you’ll solve.
It isn’t a one solution fits all. I’ve said that in at least 20 posts on this forum. Everyone has their own number. You may need less and you may need more. Have you not seen me post that several times?
In NINETY PERCENT of cases I’m seeing, you raise their Free T and Badaboom! Everything improves across the board.
Of course there are guys like systemlord that can only take 5-7mg a day, and I’ve seen a handful of those, so we need to be cautious.
You guys view 1400 as a steroid cycle. Not even close. I know you don’t believe me. I get it.
He just stopped taking 2mg of Arimidex a week and his HCG. That’s going to cause big implications for many, many weeks. There is no way I would cut this guy’s dose in half right now. If he truly is taking 250mg a week I might suggest 200mg (we still have a ton of missing info). I don’t want his free T to crash while everything else is going to be a mess for awhile.
You guys keep accusing me of “You need your free T over 40” when I’ve never said that in my life. You keep accusing me of “The more T the better” when I’ve never said that in my life.
I wish you’d listen/read what I actually say and stop turning it into things it isn’t. Bringing up free T over 30 probably fixes 90% of men. I’m saying this from what I’ve seen and, I can assure you, I’ve seen a LOT. I can’t even keep up with the emails anymore and the FB messages from complete strangers sending me all their labs. It’s completely out of control. I’m trying to help as many as I can. Yes, there are ABSOLUTELY times to bring dose down, especially when anxiety is a symptom (which can be from both too low and too high T levels).
I know what I’m doing. I never do anything that I don’t have the confidence to complete. I sure as hell won’t argue with someone unless I’m 1000% sure. I made that mistake in the past arguing that people SHOULD be using AIs. Never again. I need significant, mind blowing evidence for me to believe anything anymore.
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Look at my comment from mid-December. It is GOOD advice.
That’s not bad advice but somehow this guy ended up on 280mg and isn’t loving life.
He just stopped taking 2mg of Arimidex and HCG.
If you were taking that, and stopped, would you feel great? Probably not. He’s a hormonal disaster right now. Not sure where we got to 280mg when it was 250mg. We have not seem him clarify what he was actually taking (the dose itself could very much be incorrect, agreed).
HOWEVER
His free T was 1400 with an AI and HCG on that dose. I guarantee you that it is going to fall. How much is to be seen, but it will. With that in mind, cutting it in half would be a bad decision. Say it drops to 1200 (not outside the realm of possibility) and now he cuts his dose in half and his total plummets to 600. When my total T was 600 I was an absolute mess.
The HCG and the AI have to go, which it has. For the rest, we need to wait for him to respond with more details.
I really hope only Jay Campbell has gone to that level of crazy, haha. His twitter is insane.
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Danny,
Not sure if this is a sensitive area or not, but would you mind explaining the circumstance on how you started to get gyno (you stated this was about 20 years ago)? I am fairly paranoid about this. Was it a TRT protocol or something totally unrelated? I was considering bumping T dosage to 500mg a week for 12 weeks in May, and was wondering if I will need anything to control E2.
I believe I have had low T for quite some time. When I finally got it measured, my total was 227 and my E2 was 13 (I still have the labs).
The lack of androgens is what caused it. Once I got on TRT I was also taking an AI and the gyno stayed as is. When I dropped the AI, the gyno improved. When I increased my dose higher, the gyno improved even more. Having abundant levels of both made all the difference in the world for me. If you look at the TRT credentials thread, my photo is there, and you can see that it barely shows anymore.
Ideally, keep some Nolvadex on hand that you can take IF, AND ONLY IF, you start to develop a lump and stop taking it once the lump goes away.
I’m doing an experiment right now using 500mg a week and the lumps are smaller than they’ve ever been. It’s crazy.
I saw your pictures and you are correct, it is hardly noticeable. I only really saw it because you mentioned it in one of the threads. I do currently have a lump and have been taking the Nolvadex for a couple weeks- the nipple sensitivity went away, but I will keep taking it until the lump goes away. I will also stash some for the blast. Thanks and sorry op for hijacking your thread.
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No worries! When taking nolva, once the lump goes it usually doesn’t come back. Unless, of course, you start modifying things using large doses and throw your body into a hormonal catastrophe for awhile 
I like to push things a bit, just don’t want to do any permanent damage, so a little catastrophe may be in order.
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I emailed you my bro, Please help me
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No it isn’t… well… it sort of is… but isn’t the guy is on 280mg weekly @dbossa but his TT is only 1400ng/dl, many would have a TT of over 2000ng/dl + FT 3-4x top of the ref range… in this instance I’d say “yes, that’s too high. I can link data that indicates such a dose induces neurological, cardiac harm etc…” but 1400ng/dl… can’t link ANY data to stipulate that’s harmful for the healthy male, even long term… I can however link some ref ranges that state 1400ng/dl to be within range, albeit at the very top. on 280mg weekly I’d be approaching 1800ng/dl with FT 3x ref range (I think)… that’s pushing it…
However I’d say this is probably the causation for certain issues, such as ED… even though he has ceased to his an aromatase inhibitor, the neurological alteration from completely cutting out oestrogen will manifest for a longer period than the duration of aromatase inhibition. Other facets to ED could be
- neurological imbalance
- anxiety/nerves
- legitimate pathology etc
Cutting his dose in half is irresponsible, that’s a HUGE jump, if anything I’d say “alright, well you’ve been on X dose for 2 months, drop it from 280 to 240” if all other variables/parameters were looked into, and the only outlier was dose.
Yes but only by like 100ng/dl… the difference won’t be too significant… so it’ll drop from 1400 to say 1300-1200. But yes, dropping the dose by 50% is overkill… as a matter of fact if he’s only like 1200 and haematological parameters don’t budge, BP and lipids look fine and he feels good then everything would theoretically be “optimal”.
Not induced by testosterone, however I will admit going postal over something like this would be an over reaction… he’s on 500mg weekly currently, I can link data showcasing SIX hundred milligrams per week has no impact regarding overall aggression/ violent tendencies or thoughts… however the studies are small, thus it isn’t representative of everyone using… some are bound to have bad reactions, especially those with underlying mental illness… but I don’t think the notion of serious mental illness applies to Danny.
Doesn’t matter, what matters… if androgen to oestrogen ratio is on point, high E2 doesn’t matter
Isn’t that just the pot calling the kettle black…
Furthermore, the notion of estradiol being important in relation to neurology… I was able to get an erection just fine on 7mg anastrozole weekly (diamond cutters) just as I am now… some are FAR more sensitive to neurological imbalance that can be induced from hormonal alteration. Im currently on 100mg nandrolone 120mg drostanolone and I feel on top of the world, amazing libido, erections etc. Just trying it out, I’m aware estradiol is important in regards to a myriad of functions pertaining to adequate/optimal homeostasis, but for me it doesn’t appear to make that much of a difference in terms of how I feel (at least intermittently)… I feel equally as good with E2 2x the top of the ref range…
Also, for those who think John Crislers myocardial infarction was in relation to his AI use… I have bad news for you… long term meta analysis regarding AI use have come to the conclusion that they don’t increase the risk of myocardial infarction… however risks pertaining to glucose tolerance/homoeostasis, neurology etc certainly exist, and the combination of androgen + AI is very different from the studies at stake (AI alone for ER positive carcinoma of the breast), it’s known estradiol exerts a protective effect when risen in conjunction with androgen concentration regarding lipids (as oestrogen plays an important role within relation to lipid metabolism)… so perhaps… perhaps not… all I know is that Aromatase Inhibitors are bad news, and many side effects exist in relation to their use directly correlated to and independent of their pharmacological action (aromatise inhibition)… if you don’t want higher E2 but want a higher dose (for whatever reason)… just use a non-aromatising androgen (of which carries inherent risks of it’s own)
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